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OLTL: Discussion for the week of February 7


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Irene's diary is what brought David Vickers to town. He claimed to be Irene's and Victor's son and in the diary, Irene confessed to killing Victor which would of course mean that Dorian was innocent and could get off death row. Turns out, the entire thing was orchestrated by Dorian, David was a fake but of course Irene really did have a son by Victor in the form of Todd. What I can't remember is how Dorian got the diary in David's hands to begin with and why Viki still wanted it at this point (Irene was her best friend and Tina's mother too, I guess she just wanted to see what else Irene had to say about her DES-picable daddy?)...

Also, I can't remember why Todd was Lording (har har) it over Dorian in this ep, but Irene was of course his mother so maybe he was just interested. I wish I could remember.

I'm about to go drop a few brown pennies in the fountain, brb...

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Hmm I think this episode was clearly a good "set up" episode for the next few months... also I think it's testing the waters for some potential stories.

They could totally bring Patrick back at this point- TK would totally do it I think since SH, his wife, is already on the show. I don't necessarily want that- but it would be a good story for Marty. She could keep seeing him, feeling like he's around... and everyone would just think he's going crazy, but he's alive!

Also with the oldTodd... yeah,

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Also the fact that RS/Dorian, ES/Viki, GT/Kelly, KDP/Blair, HBS/Nora, RSW/Bo, SH/Marty (also also PPW/Addie and PB/Nigel popping up once in a while)- the show cast has stayed pretty consistent through the years (14 years!), despite several floods of newbies (who all eventually disappear at some point). Not to mention Joey and Todd, although recasted, are major parts of the canvas.

I liked seeing this episode MUCH MORE than an episode that happened a few months ago.

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The book came with a casette tape--I found both for 75 cents not too long back and actually read the book one night--it's not awful (I think Malone wrote it)--it's Patrick's fave poems (ones most anyone with any knowledge of poetry of that era would know) with a few of the actor's originals (which aren't total embarassments) and written as Patrick's diary. It reads like romance fiction but isn't awful.

OK haven't caught up with everyone's thoughts, so sorry if I repeat a lot.

Loved the longer scenes and slower pacing. I do agree that the show production wise doesn't look all that different now. The Patrcik stuff WAS very romance novel but at first anyway I kinda liked it--Marty in Ireland, their games with the people looking for Patrick, etc--it was a nice change of pace. I remember after a while me and my sister, when bored, would just say "Brown penny, brown penny" and role our eyes at each other.

Never liked Todd post the rape stuff, but nice to see everyone at the party (and Nathan Fillion looking so young! This was shortly after I got to meet him a few times--he had grandparents who lived on the same street as my grandma in Edmonton where I grew up, and he was a regular of the hysterical late night improv "soap opera" Die_nasty (which I think still runs during Fringe era). Super nice guy (though I mean I was 13 or 14 lol and it's not like we hung out or even talked) and yeah very cute.

Not a momentus episode, but I loved seeing it.

As this episode only had an end title card--something ABC daytime often did back then, I guess someone decided they shoul dadd the credits for the episode in the way they do now--with the current font? The odd thing is--no mention of headwriters Malone and Griffith (I believe Josh Griffith was still at the show though he left soon after, which is when, typically, Malone's work became a huge mess--yes involving the Men of 21 or whatever as a key point). Or maybe they just wanted to boost Jean Passanante's ego by making it look like she was headwriter (she did get a lot of praise for her time as brakdown writer in this era, which is really the only place she built any good reputation--when she briefly co-HW the show after Malone left it was even worse, of course)

Vicki and Dorian have scarcely aged (Nora either to be fair)! Everyone had a more formal way of talking under that regime, but I didn't mind--it set the show apart.

OLTL was still an absolute fave of mine at this point, but as Carl said this was the beginning of the end of that era, really.

As for the theme music--all I could think of is maybe somehow they didn't have the rights to the theme music anymore for some reason? I remember hearing that it was done by outside composers (though I'm prob wrong there). I am in the minority but I loved that theme--yeah it was borderline Skinimax, but it also seemed a return to the old school soap credits or themes--the visuals even kinda expressed what the show was about the way the old spoken intros on radio and early tv soaps did--and again it did set the show apart. This makes me wish all the more we coulda seen a classic AMC episode--at least from the 90s, if they wanted to focus on Erica and weddings couldn't they have repeated the dream episode with all her husbands, which doesn't seem to be on youtube?

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Don't forget that for all of 5 months or something, Loving had a virtually identical opening that some saw as a test (for some reason) for this. I dunno, you watch far far classier porn than I've seen I guess ;)

Granted a lot of fans were glad to get the new opening which was done as a sorta update of the beloved 80s opening (a theme which I admit I've never gotten the love for--it sounds like the titles of a kids sitcom like Punky Breswter)

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While the show is now far campier (intentionally anyway), and "fast paced" it's true that, as much as some hardcore OLTL fans bemoan the Malone/Griffith/Gottlieb era, that's where the core of current OLTL still came from. By the end of Rauch's era particularly when he tried to move from the grandiose camp to a return to social relevency (rap storylines!) the show really had kinda been gutted, and IMHO the change was necesary, even though I wish Malone had emphasised bringing back characters from old families, not so many new ones.

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Oh and I forgot how soaps used to always have a much more obvious "hum" of background noise (the lights, etc)--even by that time.

Yes! VERY similar, and the OLTL one came almost right after I think. No idea why Loving tried a similar one before and got rid of it so quickly (well Loving had an eternal turn around of EPs, but...)

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