Members SFK Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Yeah, when he passed, RS gently suggested that he'd had his issues with women folk. Are you saying that RSW or CR didn't get on with BarBara Luny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 I think Lemay said that she was not a talented actress, and she just had charisma (he said Susan Harney was more talented but didn't have the charisma - not his exact words). I think she was a good enough actress with quite a bit of star power, and that can carry you far. When I see the few clips of her work as Alice from pre and during Lemay's era that are available she seems fine to me. She's not the best, but she does a good job of playing a straightforward heroine who also has some complex emotions. It's easy to relate to her yet she also has a certain mysterious quality about her. I think that Lemay probably did not want to relate to someone like Alice. I'm sure that she must have bored him silly. I think he also had a very specific type of acting style that he might have preferred, and that helped influence AW in those years (and Rauch's own casting decisions too). It's funny because I have seen some of the episodes after John Randolph died, this wasn't all that long after Lemay was gone, and the Matthews family, aside from some exquisite work from Irene Dailey, just dissolved into a very generic, almost cliched hooting and hollering, weeping screamfests. I couldn't help wondering how much more effective this might have been if Courtney's more understated pain had been on display (John died saving Alice's life). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 HL also found RS a little one-note while VW multi-dimensional, so there's really no accounting for taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 I don't know about Bob Woods, but Clint Ritchie made it abundantly clear that he'd had many issues working with Barbara Luna who he considered insane. Any time the soap mags seemed to ask him about hard times on OLTL, he would bring up Barbara Luna and how he'd barely survived, or something. I have heard a few other yarns about Barbara Luna from other shows which I only vaguely recall. But there were a lot of rumors about Ritchie having issues with other women, and Erika Slezak has been fairly candid in saying they had their differences, but was very classy about him when he passed and has always been very complimentary of him as an actor. From what I've gleaned over the years, CR was a talented man with demons and flaws, like many of us. I don't approve of some of the things I've heard, but I separate that from the Clint Buchanan I watched onscreen - he was one of a kind. As for Jacquie Courtney, often when people think of her on OLTL they think of how the show (or rather Joe Stuart) tried to use her to force out Viki and install Pat as the heroine of the show. Wrongheaded though it was, he could potentially have gotten away with it as Courtney played a very classy professional woman with style, grace and above all dignity and intelligence. In my past pipe dreams about bringing a recast Tony Lord back someday, I thought about whether Ms. Courtney might have returned for a couple days as Pat Ashley to bring closure to their story. Now it would have to be Tony mourning his lost love, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's so sad. So what was Joe Stuart's deal with JC, had they worked together in the past? Did he have something against ES or did he just envision a new day, a new dawn with Pat as the show's lead? I get confused with all of the tidbits of behind the scenes romance, it wasn't Jacqeline and Joe who were involved, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members teplin Posted January 4, 2011 Members Share Posted January 4, 2011 Yes, Jacqui and Joe Stuart were involved. I remember Marlena De La Croix telling the story of some soap magazine inadvertently publishing a photo that displayed Joe Stuart's photo on the bedside table in Jacqui's bedroom. It was this relationship rather than anything that actually transpired on screen that led to accusations that Courtney was being positioned to replace Slezak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted January 5, 2011 Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was under the impression that ES/Viki was off a bit during the late '70s/early '80s, however, while Pat dallied with both Clint and Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CouchTomato Posted January 5, 2011 Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 Christine Jones briefly replaced her while Erika gave birth to her son Michael in 1981. That's the only one I (vaguely) remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 8, 2011 Members Share Posted January 8, 2011 I didn't want to post a lot of Jacquie Courtney stuff because I thought it would get repetitive, as these magazines sometimes were, but since Jacquie and Nancy Pinkerton passed in the same year, this caught my eye. September 1977 Daylight TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 8, 2011 Members Share Posted January 8, 2011 Great piece--great to see about Jackie but also great to read so much about Nancy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 8, 2011 Members Share Posted January 8, 2011 There's more to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 That was awesome. The things you'd have never thought even existed, a Courtney and Pinkerton interview, and they were buds at that! So nice. Wish I knew these ladies. Wish I knew who needed a moving fan for all their [!@#$%^&*]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 For some reason I have a feeling it was a Cathy Craig...who knows... I enjoyed the interview, I'm glad you did too. It's actually very rare for these soap magazines. There was nothing about star signs, romance, or how they fixed their lives through therapy or about how they met a dog in 1957 and their lives were never the same. It's so much fun. The laughs and friendship between them. I cracked up when Jacquie was humming "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face." And the stuff about Jacquie's habits in a dressing room, and Jacquie begging her not to talk about that. I love Robin Strasser but I still always feel like OLTL lost something special when Nancy Pinkerton was fired (I know she wasn't fired for Robin Strasser, I mean Robin took over as Dorian after Malis replaced Pinkerton). I wish they could have brought her back in for some role. It's kind of sad when she says that part about always assuming she will be fired without much notice, and then she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Exactly. In her book, Ellen Holly talks about how she maintained a bare bones dressing room for that very reason and how Lillian Hayman really made hers a home away from home (and of course you know the rest of that sad story). But yeah, a totally fun interview, and honest, not two hotshots trying to sound clever, cool, and "natural" as we're accustomed to. I totally agree with you about NP, and looking at her I realized how she was quite an attractive lady in an unobvious way (I really do mean that as a compliment ). She has beautiful eyes and soft features but her hair was a little Angela Channing (an interesting comparison as Marlena described her as Nancy Reagan-like in an article ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soaplovers Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Being that I was a child of the 80's, I didn't get the pleasure to truly see her act (barring some you-tube videos and such). I was wondering if there were any differences between Alice and Pat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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