2 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

She's very level-headed and honest about it. I like that she said even she thought she was on too much at times. In 1989, the year Terry left, she had three big stories: finding her father in spring, her date rape and the trial that summer, and her mother dying of AIDS that fall. The rape story was one of the best I've seen - she was outstanding and I could honestly argue she deserved a nomination for it. The other two stories I didn't care for as much and could take it or leave it, and all combined it was a lot (though arguably more interesting than the storylines from 1988 about her love life and her having four different guys in love with her). Someone had posted a comment she made at the time of Terry's comment that she was very proud of the stories they did during the teen scene because they covered a number of important social issues. 

We all know second half of 1986 to end of 1989 Cricket ate the show. I will give LLB credit for improving as an actress during the date rape storyline. If you recall during the Entertainment Tonight Y&R 50th anniversary special, LLB commented that Bill Bell wanted to tell the date rape story "properly". I got the impression LLB was taking a swipe at how other soaps told rape storylines irresponsibly in the 1980s.

2 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

Terry had some legitimate issues with his material (other than the excellent Jabot takeover storyline) but his comments about Lauralee were probably more about hitting the Bell family where it hurts.

2 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

I'm glad they made up and I vaguely remember Jerry Douglas also talking about that visit Terry made to the set when he was ill and saying similar things. It's very sad. It was the perfect role for him and he wish he could have worked it out and stayed.

I wonder what TL issues were w/ Jack storylines near the end. Perhaps he sensed Bill Bell was losing interest in the Abbotts or maybe TL had issues w/ Ed Scott. Remember that Cricket eating the show overlaps w/ Ed Scott becoming EP. Also 1987-1989 it seemed Bill Bell was losing interest in the Abbotts w/ Traci role being reduced and then the Ashley and Jack recasts which threw off the balance in the family.

Terry Lester will forever be Jack to me. His Jack was such a layered character and all those layers got lost w/ the recast.

2 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

a newish character like Cassandra ate the show.

I always point out that 1989 was wonky w/ the females. Cricket ate the show, Cassandra was the show's new pet, and the rest of the main females (Jill, Katherine, Nikki, Ashley, Traci, Lauren, Nina, Leanna) were given second and third tier storylines.

Cassandra becoming the show's new pet overlaps w/ MTS pregnancy leave, ED departure w/o a proper exit storyline, Bill Bell rushing into recasting Ashley, BE Ashley floundering until the Brad/Traci/Ashley triangle, and Nikki floundering from MTS return until the storyline w/ PB Jack.

2 hours ago, kalbir said:

We all know second half of 1986 to end of 1989 Cricket ate the show. I will give LLB credit for improving as an actress during the date rape storyline. If you recall during the Entertainment Tonight Y&R 50th anniversary special, LLB commented that Bill Bell wanted to tell the date rape story "properly". I got the impression LLB was taking a swipe at how other soaps told rape storylines irresponsibly in the 1980s.

I wonder what TL issues were w/ Jack storylines near the end. Perhaps he sensed Bill Bell was losing interest in the Abbotts or maybe TL had issues w/ Ed Scott. Remember that Cricket eating the show overlaps w/ Ed Scott becoming EP. Also 1987-1989 it seemed Bill Bell was losing interest in the Abbotts w/ Traci role being reduced and then the Ashley and Jack recasts which threw off the balance in the family.

Terry Lester will forever be Jack to me. His Jack was such a layered character and all those layers got lost w/ the recast.

I always point out that 1989 was wonky w/ the females. Cricket ate the show, Cassandra was the show's new pet, and the rest of the main females (Jill, Katherine, Nikki, Ashley, Traci, Lauren, Nina, Leanna) were given second and third tier storylines.

Cassandra becoming the show's new pet overlaps w/ MTS pregnancy leave, ED departure w/o a proper exit storyline, Bill Bell rushing into recasting Ashley, BE Ashley floundering until the Brad/Traci/Ashley triangle, and Nikki floundering from MTS return until the storyline w/ PB Jack.

Y&R had a really solid track record for treating rape seriously and not making it romantic. It was horrifying when they later put Cricket and Michael together.

 

The Jabot takeover story was fantastic material, but Jack wasn't well utilized elsewhere. He didn't have a love interest and he was in a weird supporting role in the Brad cage storyline.

 

Nina I would say had a slow start to the year but then a lot of excellent material with the marriage to Phillip, his death, inheritance, battling with Jill, and being wooed by David.

 

Ashley was sort of like a real widow in that she didn't get that much action all year and threw herself into her work.

19 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

Y&R had a really solid track record for treating rape seriously and not making it romantic. 

I haven't seen any of Chris Brooks or Peggy rape storyline but from what I remember of Cricket date rape storyline, Bill Bell covered the physical/emotional effects and the medical/legal aspects. Also Cricket date rape was a summer social issue storyline, so that played a big part in the story being told responsibly.

19 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

It was horrifying when they later put Cricket and Michael together.

I agree that Christine and Michael should not have been in each other's orbit romantically after the sexual harassment and attempted rape a decade earlier. That was Jack Smith doing. I doubt Bill Bell would ever have gone that route.

3 minutes ago, kalbir said:

I haven't seen any of Chris Brooks or Peggy rape storyline but from what I remember of Cricket date rape storyline, Bill Bell covered the physical/emotional effects and the medical/legal aspects. Also Cricket date rape was a summer social issue storyline, so that played a big part in the story being told responsibly.

 

From what I've read, Stuart Brooks asked Brad Eliot (who had a psychology background though no one knew that) to write a series of articles for the Chronicle when Chris was raped, and in this way they were able to have him discuss it and get some topical information to the audience. They also showed Chris working with the Rape Crisis Center like Cricket did.

 

There's an interesting documentary here about Cricket's storyline and how many times they filmed the scenes to get them correct (thanks @YRfan23 for alerting me to this) and Bill Bell is asked if he'd still do these stories even if the ratings sank. His answer is very honest!

 

(for @Contessa Donatella there is an interview with Linda Dano at the end too and I know you're a big AW fan)

12 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

From what I've read, Stuart Brooks asked Brad Eliot (who had a psychology background though no one knew that) to write a series of articles for the Chronicle when Chris was raped, and in this way they were able to have him discuss it and get some topical information to the audience. They also showed Chris working with the Rape Crisis Center like Cricket did.

 

There's an interesting documentary here about Cricket's storyline and how many times they filmed the scenes to get them correct (thanks @YRfan23 for alerting me to this) and Bill Bell is asked if he'd still do these stories even if the ratings sank. His answer is very honest!

 

(for @Contessa Donatella there is an interview with Linda Dano at the end too and I know you're a big AW fan)

Thanks so much! Loved the background on that date rape storyline & fun little bit of Dano.

8 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Not really an old article but also not current discussion.

McGarry, M., & Hinsey, C. (Eds.). (2024, October 14). The Ultimate Young & Restless Guide: Soap Opera Digest Collector’s Edition. Soap Opera Digest Ultimate Y&R Guide.

pg. 24 About Terry Lester, Lauralee Bell

Digest asks: At the time, Terry Lester, the original Jack Abbott, was vocal that your stories were taking over the show. How did you feel about that?

She replies: "He had a point. His arguments were sometimes the kind of arguments that I would have about a storyline that is on too much. I don't know if this is common knowledge, but he came to the set before he passed away. He knew he wasn't going to be around much longer & he came up to me & said, 'I feel terrible for the things I said.' Of course, I got my job because of my parents & I knew that. Even though it was a little hurtful when he said Y&R was suddenly becoming a teenage show, I understood where he was coming from, so I could never hold a grudge. He didn't have to say this but he told me, 'I want you to know that it was nothing personal toward you. I was really struggling with a lot of things in my life & I never should have done that.' We hugged & it felt like we came full circle."

Thanks for sharing that!   

It is nice to hear Lauralee's perspective on all the airtime she got, but it was definitely heartwarming that she and Terry made peace at the end. Jeanne Cooper also alluded in her book, that Terry had a lot of issues at the time, and his leaving was something he regretted many years after the fact. He was on the phone with Jeanne and had admitted it was the worst mistake he ever made.

3 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Thanks for sharing that!   

It is nice to hear Lauralee's perspective on all the airtime she got, but it was definitely heartwarming that she and Terry made peace at the end. Jeanne Cooper also alluded in her book, that Terry had a lot of issues at the time, and his leaving was something he regretted many years after the fact. He was on the phone with Jeanne and had admitted it was the worst mistake he ever made.

Glad to type it up & share it. Good others also find it interesting. 

McGarry, M., & Hinsey, C. (Eds.). (2024, October 14). The Ultimate Young & Restless Guide: Soap Opera Digest Collector’s Edition. Soap Opera Digest Ultimate Y&R Guide.
p.36, Michelle Stafford, about Bill Bell
Digest asks: What are your favorite memories of Bill Bell?
She replies: "He wasn't a big, physical man but he was larger than life. He was just special. He was so passionate & he loved the show so, so much. He called everybody by their character names. He called my Phyllis. I didn't care. It was cool. He lived the show & he loved Phyllis & liked that character. He'd come down to the set & watch us film because he loved it."

Added by me: Now we know, calling people by their character names: Irna did it. Agnes did it. Bill did it.

8 hours ago, kalbir said:

 Also Cricket date rape was a summer social issue storyline, so that played a big part in the story being told responsibly.

 

I was quite surprised to learn that it was one of the show's summer storylines. I don't believe the shows I was watching at the time did anything remotely that serious, with that much gravitas, in the summer. But, now that I consider it, I wonder why not. It was a perfect time to teach some lesson.

An episode from 1992 in French

14 minutes ago, MissPalmer said:

An episode from 1992 in French

Omg thanks!!!  looks like one we don’t have too! 
 

The U.S airdate is 9/2/1992!  

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by YRfan23

19 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Omg thanks!!!  looks like one we don’t have too! 
 

The U.S airdate is 9/2/1992!  

Wonderful!!!!

Thanks @MissPalmer that's a great find!

On 9/24/2024 at 7:14 PM, MissPalmer said:

An episode from 1992 in French

That's pretty cool: this is Ken La Ron of B&B fame in scnes with Vickie Rowell and Kristoff St. John, right?

2 hours ago, sheilaforever said:

That's pretty cool: this is Ken La Ron of B&B fame in scnes with Vickie Rowell and Kristoff St. John, right?

Yes, before he was Keith on B&B he played Dru’s former beau Juice.