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49 minutes ago, AMCOLTLLover said:

But I do believe that Brad really loved Traci.. He worked himself up and was always defending his relationship. Traci wasn’t convinced that he could love someone like her coz of her weight and stuff. Didn’t Lauren tried to interfere with the wedding? 
this wasn’t just a few episodes. They really built up Traci-Brad over months before even bringing up the wedding. When they got married he took his marriage and job very serious.

i never had any doubt that Brad didn’t love her or used her like Jack claimed lol

He falls into bed with Lauren within about a month of Traci going off to school. He kissed Jill a few times as well just as Traci left. 

I think there was good reason why the Lisa Mansfield story happened. It was to show what Brad was capable of, he wasn't innocent. It kept his motives towards Traci up in the air. One person could feel he was totally devoted and loved Traci while another could feel Jack, Lauren and Jill were right about his motives. 

Of course Brad would defend his marriage and love for Traci, why would he ever admit he was using her. And I'm not saying he didn't love her, but again he forgot about her real quick in the summer of 87.

More so, when Traci comes back in 1990, Brad doesn't suddenly remember his true deep love for her. He wants to marry Ashley and only starts paying Traci attention again once Ashley marries Victor. Even then he makes it clear he wants no reconciliation with Traci, then she becomes pregnant, even then he doesn't make a firm comittment until Traci is in the hospital. The second marriage was a disaster. Brad basically ignored and neglected Traci until she left town. Once Brad had inherited Cassandra's wealth, once he became Newman's right hand man and was no longer answerable to the Abbott's, his attitude and interest in Traci dropped real quick. 

Once Traci was out of the picture, Brad was back pursuing Ashley and Lauren. I think once Brad was independantly wealthy and professionally secure, we see him more clearly. 

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33 minutes ago, will81 said:

He falls into bed with Lauren within about a month of Traci going off to school. He kissed Jill a few times as well just as Traci left. 

I think there was good reason why the Lisa Mansfield story happened. It was to show what Brad was capable of, he wasn't innocent. It kept his motives towards Traci up in the air. One person could feel he was totally devoted and loved Traci while another could feel Jack, Lauren and Jill were right about his motives. 

Of course Brad would defend his marriage and love for Traci, why would he ever admit he was using her. And I'm not saying he didn't love her, but again he forgot about her real quick in the summer of 87.

More so, when Traci comes back in 1990, Brad doesn't suddenly remember his true deep love for her. He wants to marry Ashley and only starts paying Traci attention again once Ashley marries Victor. Even then he makes it clear he wants no reconciliation with Traci, then she becomes pregnant, even then he doesn't make a firm comittment until Traci is in the hospital. The second marriage was a disaster. Brad basically ignored and neglected Traci until she left town. Once Brad had inherited Cassandra's wealth, once he became Newman's right hand man and was no longer answerable to the Abbott's, his attitude and interest in Traci dropped real quick. 

Once Traci was out of the picture, Brad was back pursuing Ashley and Lauren. I think once Brad was independantly wealthy and professionally secure, we see him more clearly. 

Good points.. U are definitely right now where I see the bigger picture 

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On 8/29/2023 at 4:31 AM, will81 said:

He falls into bed with Lauren within about a month of Traci going off to school. He kissed Jill a few times as well just as Traci left. 

I think there was good reason why the Lisa Mansfield story happened. It was to show what Brad was capable of, he wasn't innocent. It kept his motives towards Traci up in the air. One person could feel he was totally devoted and loved Traci while another could feel Jack, Lauren and Jill were right about his motives. 

Of course Brad would defend his marriage and love for Traci, why would he ever admit he was using her. And I'm not saying he didn't love her, but again he forgot about her real quick in the summer of 87.

More so, when Traci comes back in 1990, Brad doesn't suddenly remember his true deep love for her. He wants to marry Ashley and only starts paying Traci attention again once Ashley marries Victor. Even then he makes it clear he wants no reconciliation with Traci, then she becomes pregnant, even then he doesn't make a firm comittment until Traci is in the hospital. The second marriage was a disaster. Brad basically ignored and neglected Traci until she left town. Once Brad had inherited Cassandra's wealth, once he became Newman's right hand man and was no longer answerable to the Abbott's, his attitude and interest in Traci dropped real quick. 

Once Traci was out of the picture, Brad was back pursuing Ashley and Lauren. I think once Brad was independantly wealthy and professionally secure, we see him more clearly. 

In Resume he was a Gold Digger!

 

 

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Something I cool I just discovered, This channel has  two clips of Jill/Liz/Katherine and Nina/Victoria from 7/30/93, In English! :) I uploaded this full episode to the vault but only in French, so it's great to hear some of the scenes in English, considering Liz's 1993 return is pretty rare!
 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Something I cool I just discovered, This channel has  two clips of Jill/Liz/Katherine and Nina/Victoria from 7/30/93, In English! :) I uploaded this full episode to the vault but only in French, so it's great to hear some of the scenes in English, considering Liz's 1993 return is pretty rare!
 

 

 

Great finds :D 

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(Moving this conversation here from the Vault update thread)

 

@AlexGrimaldi thank you for posting that clip of Ryan and Victoria! The date is May 20, 1992. I wonder if you have the clips from when Ryan was in jail, and Victor offered him a blank check? Would love seeing those again.

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Mamie's upcoming return has me remembering her 1999 return. Does anyone recall that she offered Jack some of her money to get Jabot back but Jack refused to take her money? There was a scene during Mamie's 1999 return where Mamie told Jill she spent the entire $1M that Jill gave her but Mamie really turned that $1M into multiple millions, thus offering some of her money to Jack.

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On 7/15/2023 at 4:13 PM, lucaslesann23 said:

LLB says they are doing a "different kind" of anniversary show for her in the fall.

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Did we ever hear what the “different kind” of anniversary show will be? 

On 9/20/2023 at 9:56 PM, YRfan23 said:

Something I cool I just discovered, This channel has  two clips of Jill/Liz/Katherine and Nina/Victoria from 7/30/93, In English! :) I uploaded this full episode to the vault but only in French, so it's great to hear some of the scenes in English, considering Liz's 1993 return is pretty rare!
 

 

 

Thank you! I finally had a chance to watch. There's such a through-line with Liz's character after 20 years... "Look at me, girl!!" It could be 1973 or 1993 ❤️ Why oh why did MAB have to pull the "stunt" in 2010 of killing Liz off, just so David Hasselhoff could return for a few eps 😕 Liz should still be on the show, as the only original cast member, dispensing needed wisdom to all the younger foolish characters.

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6 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Did we ever hear what the “different kind” of anniversary show will be? 

Thank you! I finally had a chance to watch. There's such a through-line with Liz's character after 20 years... "Look at me, girl!!" It could be 1973 or 1993 ❤️ Why oh why did MAB have to pull the "stunt" in 2010 of killing Liz off, just so David Hasselhoff could return for a few eps 😕 Liz should still be on the show, as the only original cast member, dispensing needed wisdom to all the younger foolish characters.

I so agree with you 😕 MAB probably thought she was "honoring history" (her favorite line to say during her reign of terror) With killing off yet another Matriarch of the show, the same way LML shamefully killed off John Abbott, 4 years before....

God bless Julianna M. though. I think she's 94 now, but still responds at the Y&R FB group! :D 

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On 10/5/2023 at 7:55 PM, YRfan23 said:

8/30/91 :) 

Thank You 😊

Does anyone know the air date when Katherine's double Marge was shown watching The Bold and The Beautiful?

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