ATWT Actress Joins Y&R

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Dina, Nina, Olivia and Traci are all connected to major families ont eh show. As long as their family is in town, they will always have a reason to visit. Grace has no family.

Actually this is CBS, we are discussing

Isnt that the point of a question?

Im all for using established characters as long as their is a need for them to come back on the canvas.

So she didnt return any of those times to hook up with Nick, hurt Sharon or get revenge? her subsequent returns had nothing to do with Sharon?

Thank you, for finally answering the question

and what about Cameron? Wasnt she romantically linked to him as well?

no thats your logic. I have never argued for Cane to be on the show. You are the one arguing about getting rid of characters with no ties or connection, yet you seem to be all about finding a place for Skye, who has none. You keep going on about getting rid of Kevin and Gloria when like it or not, they've been around for years and have formed connections. Your own rules are inconsistent and seem to only apply to those you hate, while ignoring those you like

Theres no flame here. You are the one that went on the defense and attack bc you didnt like hearing someone not in support of having Grace around

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As long as their family is in town, they will always have a reason to visit.

No they don't.

Families move on & change all the time.

Actually this is CBS, we are discussing

It was meant to say this ISN'T ABC where characters have to constantly be referenced (especially right before they're brought back) to be viable.

Isnt that the point of a question?

You didn't question.

You made an assertion.

One which was answered WITH support that you couldn't defend.

Then instead of admitting you aren't that familiar with the show or the character you weakly attempted to troll.

Im all for using established characters as long as their is a need for them to come back on the canvas.

Again.

There are much less established CURRENTLY on the canvas for you to even begin to try to make an argument against why established characters with a lot of ties & history shouldn't be brought back.

So she didnt return any of those times to hook up with Nick, hurt Sharon or get revenge?

And?

Just because previous writers used the character that way doesn't mean that is ALL to the character.

And again this isn't ABC it's Y&R.

It isn't like bringing Gloria back on AMC or Karen Wolek on OLTL where the majority of the people they interacted with are gone.

And yet you have no defense.

Typical.

What about him?

Grace didn't go after him because he was with Sharon.

No.

It's definitely yours.

Yes you did.

Anytime you argue against bring back established characters with the excuse that there needs to be a "reason" for them to BE brought back (even if they have plenty of current ties & existing history) when characters with much less ties/history need absolutely NO reason to be on the canvas you're definitely making an argument to the contrary.

No.

I'm arguing for using established characters, in character, where they make sense instead of warping existing characters/the entire show to push agendas.

Skye as written I have no use for.

None.

Skye as originally written would be a welcome addition.

But an intelligent, independent woman on Maria/Hamner/Hogan/Rauch's Y&R?

Not a chance.

The RappaDavidsons were around for years & built on the backs of established characters by making them act WAY OOC (Hello Nora) & horribly warped the entire show in the process.

And the "connections" that those characters formed are meaningless at best.

Kevin, Jana, Gloria & Jeff could ALL easily be written out tomorrow & it would make absolutely NO difference to Y&R.

The only characters out of that particular family that have any staying power are Michael & Lauren.

To say nothing of Adrian, Plum, Cane, Amber, Ryder, Daisy, Eden & all the rest of the useless characters Maria/LML forced on Y&R's longtime audience.

No dear.

I'm very consistent about Y&R (especially when vets and/or the entire show are sacrificed for extraneous characters) & always have been.

There certainly aren't.

At least not that weak stuff you tried to pass off as flaming.

Defense? Please.

You were & are the one flailing cause you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about nor can you refute points made with facts.

Again.

Just admit you aren't that familiar with the show and/or the characters instead of trying to make illogical assertions you aren't equipped to support.

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The characters you mentioned, Dina, Traci, Olivia...werent they brought back various times for their family connections which they still have in town? Again at the very least, as long as there's an Abbot or Winters in town, they will always have a reason to visit. Ditto for members of the Newmans, Williams, etc....

It was meant to say this ISN'T ABC where characters have to constantly be referenced (especially right before they're brought back) to be viable.

Unfortunately Y&R is a shell of its former self and becoming more and more like a ABC soap as time goes by

If someone ends a sentence with a question mark (?), thats a sign that they are asking a question. Thats exactly what I did. You said I know nothing about Grace, so I asked a question about her, which you were so kind to answer later on. Thanks for that.

Again.

There are much less established CURRENTLY on the canvas for you to even begin to try to make an argument against why established characters with a lot of ties & history shouldn't be brought back

Sigh....we're getting nowhere with this. We'll have to agree to siagree. Next

And it was only mentioned bc you made it seem as if her returns were never about Sharon, when they kinda were.

bc there's nothing to defend. I asked a question, it got answered....there's nothing more to say on that matter. Not everything needs to be thrown back with a snarky response. I dont get why you keep trying to pick at something here.

You wrote: "Secondly outside of Nick Grace never slept with any of Sharon's men." Cameron was broguht up as thats clearly is an incorrect statement. I dont know as litle as you think I do about the character

again assuming. In case I wasnt clear. I DO NOT SUPPORT CANE ASHBY (or whatever he's calling himself these days) ON Y&R. I cant get any direct about this than that

and why would you expect Grace to be treated any differently?

We can at least agree that the Fishers have long outstayed their welcome.

Thats refreshing to know, bc Im not attempting to pass anything off as flame

Haha, funny. I'm not the one over here getting all worked up over a simple character. LOL....really its not that serious. Im sure if they had brought Maura on as Grace, we'd be reading posts and threads in anger about how she's being written OOC, and being ruined for agendas and is an overall mess. Wait, I'm sure we'll get that for Diane

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they brought back various times for their family connections which they still have in town?

Sometimes they were & sometimes they weren't.

Like Dina for Katherine's funeral.

She didn't show up for her children & grandchildren.

She showed up for Katherine.

Again at the very least, as long as there's an Abbot or Winters in town, they will always have a reason to visit. Ditto for members of the Newmans, Williams, etc....

And again other established characters like Diane & Grace (amongst others) return without being related to core families.

Unfortunately Y&R is a shell of its former self and becoming more and more like a ABC soap as time goes by

Yep.

But you can't always apply ABC's (or Daytime in general's) formulas with Y&R.

Y&R is weird in that for all the concessions it makes to some of ABC/Daytime's formulas it's still its very own animal in a lot of ways.

If someone ends a sentence with a question mark (?), thats a sign that they are asking a question.

Not when the "question" is posed as a statement.

You said I know nothing about Grace, so I asked a question about her, which you were so kind to answer later on. Thanks for that.

Only one of her previous returns was directly about Sharon (and even that is arguable).

They did INVOLVE Sharon but they were mainly about NICK & even still that doesn't mean that that's all the character exists for or the only ties the character has/had.

It just means that those were the only ties that HW at that time chose to utilize & both times she did return she interacted with more than just Nick and/or Sharon.

Because whether you realize it or not you made the assertion that established characters need reasons when less established ones don't.

However just cause Grace was used primarily in Nick/Sharon stories on her return doesn't mean that that's the only reason to bring her back nor would they be the only characters she could/would interact with if Y&R did.

Plus that age range on Y&R is desperately in need of more characters beyond the overworked (Sharon), underwhelming (AH's Victoria), MIA (Cricket), ill concieved (Sofia), inconsistent (Nina) & overexposed (Giggly Heffa) & one with established history played by a talented actress like Maura is much more palatable than a new character with horrible writing played by Maura or an established but miscast character played by Maura.

I dont get why you keep trying to pick at something here.

Oh honey.

Stop the innocent act.

No it's not.

You asserted that Grace went after Sharon's men which outside of Nick is not true.

Grace was with Cameron independent of Sharon.

...So apparently you do.

again assuming. In case I wasnt clear.

You do when you make the case (again whether you realize it or not) for him to be on canvas while other established characters "need reason".

Grace could easily be utilized in ways that are in character & make much more sense than the awesome idea of bringing Phillip back from the dead to free pass Cane.

I never defended keeping Skye (as she is now) on the show.

She can't leave fast enough.

But that's not even about Grace.

The quality of the writing sucks but Maura stands a much better shot playing an age appropriate character in an age range that is desperately in need of strengthening than one where she would be one amongst many (Lauren, Nikki, Jill, Ashley,

Yep.

I was done with them when JVA left.

Now who's making assumptions?

You made assertions which were refuted. With facts.

End of story.

Apparently it is. For you.

Probably.

But at least as Grace Maura would be cast appropriately & have the chance at interacting with characters closer to her age instead of being miscast as a character that's basically become a plot device & is defended by fans who's only concern is shoehorning a popular actress onto Y&R's canvas.

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Who the HELL is Chompers?

The point isn't whether Maura looks 40 (and like most people, admittedly, there are days on ATWT she looks hard in makeup, and there are days she looks younger...ironic that there's talk of sun damage, when for years she was the whitest girl in soapdom)...the point is she doesn't look 50+ years old, which is what Diane should be. Bergman looks good for 57. Stafford looks good for 45. But put Maura in a scene with Victor, and there's no way anyone's gonna buy that. And even though I love Doug Davidson, there's no way Maura's gonna look like his contemporary either.

But thank God TIIC spared me sticking her in scenes with (hopefully anyway) Josh Morrow or Sharon Case. BLECH. I just hope they keep her pretty clear of Christian LeBlanc. I don't even watch the show and I hate everything the Baldwin/Fishers stand for.

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and who the hell is Giggly Heffa??

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LOLOL

Chompers is Billy & Giggly Heffa is Phyllis.

[ian]

Definitely taking a wait and see on this. I mean it's 95% fail due to the writers, but, Maura is love. Honestly though, I was really surprised when I read this and I'm not automatically going to hate it, even though my better judgment says I should.

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Lollers @ the implosion of this thread.

[Jay]

When was it Grace went to Harvard Business School?

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The previous Diane, who aired during the Patty mess, didn't look anywhere near 50 years old so, with the correct makeup, Maura will be fine. Granted, if I were her, I'd be a little bit pissed that the show chose me to play a character this old. Y&R is a mess, however, it is still the best mess with the highest production values and the highest ratings on daytime. I'm hardly watching the show these days, nothings grabs me; however, I'm sure NuDiane will be a mixer who shakes things up.

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LMAO- I can definitely see how Billy is Chompers got the nickname Chompers, but how did Phyllis become Giggly Heffa?

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I think Drucilla referred to her as a "Giggly Heffa" in a scene once. Also, since Phyllis has been with Nick, all she ever does is laugh, giggle, and play the heroine.

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...She's 47.

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Hmmmm. I'm taking bets- Diane vs Nikki or Diane vs Jill?

This has let's bring Maura on as a rival for "The Stafford" written all over it.