Members Steve Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 I'd say listen to the optimist! These stories sound great and it seems like D&D understand the characters. I'm willing to cut them some slack for two reasons: 1. GL was Kreizman first headwriting stint so of course he made mistakes. It seems like most ATWT fans thought that showed improved when his name popped up in the credits. 2. He's not the sole headwriter here and Swajeski's work has been critically acclaimed in the past. For the first time in several years, I'm excited about what's coming up on AMC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 True. The women on the ABC soaps are very weak, while the men drive almost every story so if the men are any stronger, the women would be the equivalent of roadkill. Just once I would like to hear on of these headwriters say that they are coming to strengthen the women and make them the focus of stories. Days is the only soap where the stories revolve around the women. Also, when the headwriters say that Ryan and Greenlee are popular, I have decided that they must mean that they test well in ABC's focus groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 Yep, only explanation. I am taking a research methods course this semester in university and we were talking about focus groups the last couple of weeks. The thing with focus groups is they aren't really a relevant sample to the entire population IMO and the opinion of the text and prof of that course... They can be helpful in forming some base generlizations, but in the grand scheme of things they aren't very useful. Daytime's reliance on focus groups represents perfectly how out of touch with the mainstream audience they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 The more I see of this Alferi guy, the more I'm okay with Erica jumping on his train for a ride or two. LOL If he is the third side of the triangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RomeAt50 Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 Based on what I've heard ABC often conducts its focus groups by showing them brief clips or clips of one episode and asking their opinion. So the opinions of those in the focus group are often not informed by history or longterm storytelling. And there is also the problem of the pressure to conform that people feel in groups so it may seem like their is more of a consensus about something than their really is. It baffles me that ABCD puts so much importance on their focus groups. So many bad decisions have been made because of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted March 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 People in focus groups aren't even people who watch regularly are they? I'll never get why they don't sample the audience that watches when it comes to these kinds of things Yeah I remember Pratt's comment. He said something like "Behind every strong woman, there's an even stronger man" ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RomeAt50 Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 I think he said "stronger men make stronger women." But I'm not sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 Back in 2003, when I went to SSW I got picked to attend what they called an "Opinion Session". (I basically walked in the gate at California Adventure, and there was an ABC person standing there who asked me some questions...how long I'd been watching, and then questions about the current show...I got them right, and the "Opinion Session" was my gift. Haha.) Basically, what they did when we were in there was sit us around a big table and then go through a list of questions and characters. They named all the big ones at that time, and asked each one of us what we thought of that character's storyline. Did we like their current pairing? Who did we want them with if not? Things/characters/couples we'd like to have seen more of? What did we like/not like about the show at that time? Those kinds of things. (This was an 18-35 session (I was 19) and I remember them being stunned that we all loved Adam so much. The woman conducting things thought it was strange that such young women loved Adam.) It was interesting and I got a bunch of free stuff out of it. I know it was a long time ago, but if that's any indication of how they run focus groups, then maybe Rylee really is popular offline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 Frankly, every word that comes out of David and Donna's mouths is a lie. Including "and" and "the" and especially "we love tradition!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 You are right that focus group research can be unreliable and should only be used in very carefully defined conditions. Other than a survey of a representative sample of the viewing audience which would cost thousands to conduct is so hard to tell which characters and/or couples are really popular. Maybe. It is so hard to tell. I think that the network uses focus groups, fan mail, and keeps track of which characters sell soap mags. They probably also keep track the hits on characters and stories on their Web sites. Yep. It is like there is a new headwriter PR guide of common phrases to be repeated in initial interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted March 20, 2010 Members Share Posted March 20, 2010 I'm very curious about this beefing up the Cortlandts and pitting them against the Chandlers bit, though I'm cautiously optimistic (i.e., Rauch promising us the return of the black Spauldings, plural). I'm almost certain that it will not involve Nina, but probably a recast Petey because nerdy comedic Petey is no match for J.R. and Scott and they will try to sex it up with him and Colby (not condoning, just imagining how they'll see it). I'm not betting on Ross (though *maybe* Julie?) either so I'm wondering about a deSORASED/frozen in age from last time Bobby and maybe his brother Michael, and of course there is room for new kids from Ross and Nina who we've inexplicably never heard of. And Soapnet.com REALLY needs to do something about that annoying video [!@#$%^&*] on the side, why does every damn story have to be broken up into 35 pages anyway?? I can scroll for Godsake, stop trying to rack up site hits Perez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted March 21, 2010 Members Share Posted March 21, 2010 Isn't that so annoying? I turn my speakers off anytime I am reading articles on soapnet. Its so ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 21, 2010 Members Share Posted March 21, 2010 And they aren't even fan related are they? They're just random audience members who have no history with those characters? I did the same, and then passed out last night--woke up this morning, turned my speakers on, and the soapnet promos were STILL being rattled away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted March 21, 2010 Members Share Posted March 21, 2010 Even Alfred Vanderpool and Bob Georgia would probably leave what has become of Scott and JR in the dust. I keep hoping they are going to fix these mistakes. Having this sad excuse of JR as "the new Adam", please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted March 21, 2010 Members Share Posted March 21, 2010 I think I'm the only one who kinda likes (despite all the mistakes written into him) the current JR lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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