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Douglas Marland 1986 NYT Article

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July 6, 1986

They Spin the Tales for Soap Operas

By Kathy Henderson

''It's hard to surprise a daytime audience today,'' says Douglas Marland, head writer of the CBS soap opera ''As the World Turns.'' ''They know all the formulas and are usually six feet ahead of you, but if the surprise is well thought out and justified, they love it.''

Since joining the 30-year-old series last September, Mr. Marland has created a ''boy-next-door-type'' psychotic murderer, turned a heroine into a villain and introduced a new family filled with good-looking teen-agers, one of whom is now flirting with a girl who may actually be his niece. ''You've got to be very devious to write a soap opera,'' Mr. Marland says, only half jokingly.

In addition to guile, head writers in daytime television must have enough imagination and enough discipline to fill five hours of programming every week, with no summertime reruns or hiatuses. They are a breed of writer who seem to thrive under pressure, keeping track of production requirements and supervising a staff of outline writers and dialogue writers even as they lay out plot lines six months in advance in book-length story projections. Some, like William Bell of ''The Young and the Restless'' and Wisner Washam of ''All My Children,'' stay with the same show for years; others, like Mr. Marland, who has worked on six daytime serials in 12 years, happily jump from show to show.

Recently, Mr. Marland allowed a visitor to sit in on a weekly meeting with ''As the World Turns'' executives in the CBS Broadcast Center on West 57th Street, as well as a story conference with the show's two outline writers. Before scripts are written, the week's story outlines (called ''breakdowns'') are critiqued each Wednesday by executive producer Robert Calhoun, two production officials from the network and one from Procter & Gamble, which owns ''As the World Turns'' and three other soaps. Each day's outline runs 15 pages long and is detailed enough to list the time of day of every scene.

Discussing the episodes to be shown this week, the group praised Mr. Marland's handling of confrontations between two strong-willed women characters and his development of a romantic triangle. ''I like the way we spend a lot of time on a few stories,'' said Laurence Caso, CBS director of daytime programming.

Mr. Calhoun passed around photographs of a picturesque Connecticut pond selected for location shooting of various innocent and illicit romantic scenes, including an affair that will begin on tomorrow's episode. In typical soap-opera fashion, the lovers will be caught in the act by another character.

''We don't want him voyeuring,'' Mr. Marland said. ''He stumbles upon them, turns and goes.''

''Is there a story purpose to his seeing them?'' asked Mr. Caso.

''Oh, yes,'' Mr. Marland replied, without specifying what it might be.

Technical questions abounded: What breed would be best for an attack-dog sequence? Could a young actor whose character has run away to the rodeo be taught to use a lariat? Would there be enough room on a small porch set for four actors to play a scene?

The group reached a consensus quickly on casting a major new teen-age character named Emily Stewart, who, in tomorrow's episode, has already moved to town and begun flirting with one of the show's young heartthrobs. A 22-year-old actress from California, Colleen McDermott, was chosen from six screen-tested finalists. ''She's young and green, but she's going to grow into someone special,'' said Mr. Calhoun. ''I want to get her into acting school right away.''

Later, as he and Mr. Marland watched that day's installment of ''As the World Turns,'' Mr. Marland talked about the craft of plotting a soap. ''I try to gear younger stories for summer,'' he said, to attract the college-age viewers advertisers covet. ''But I don't think young stories work unless they're contrasted to the older generations.''

Interestingly, Mr. Marland, a courtly man of 51, has developed a reputation for writing believable stories about teen-agers and was hired to give ''As the World Turns'' a younger, more exciting image. He admits accepting advice from his 20-year-old niece, Tracy, whose fantasy of falling in love with an older man became a popular plot line during Mr. Marland's tenure as head writer on ''Guiding Light'' several years ago.

His ideas for ''As the World Turns'' are fleshed out with the help of breakdown writers Garin Wolf and Caroline Franz and a team of five dialogue writers, each of whom turns out one script a week. Mr. Marland himself writes two breakdowns a week and edits every script to ensure consistency in language and tone. (Many head writers delegate the latter chore to an editor.) ''It's like you're living in three time zones,'' he says of the writing process, ''because you're watching a show at 1:30 that you wrote the outline for eight weeks earlier and edited six weeks earlier.''

Every Tuesday, Mr. Wolf and Mrs. Franz discuss a week's worth of outlines with their boss, either in an all-day telephone conference or at Mr. Marland's Federal-style home in New Canaan, Conn. The house, built in 1801 and featured in the current issue of Antiques magazine, attests to the financial rewards of reaching the top in daytime television.

A recent session began with plans for handling the death at age 79 of actor Don MacLaughlin, who had portrayed the Hughes family patriarch since the first episode of ''As the World Turns'' on April 2, 1956. ''Although there will be a six-week delay [ in the audience's learning of the death ] , we felt we must play it out, not simply stick something into existing episodes,'' Mr. Marland said. The writers discussed how each character might react to the news that ''Chris Hughes'' had died in his sleep, and Mrs. Franz suggested weaving in flashbacks from earlier installments.

The three writers then moved on to a scene-by-scene summary of the first show of the week, with special emphasis on the three opening teasers designed to grab the viewers' attention. ''An audience responds to continuity and a clear sense of direction, and I just don't think you get that without one head writer,'' Mr. Marland had said earlier. ''To me, writing by committee is horrendous.''

Mr. Marland downplays the pressure of the job, even as he methodically chain-smokes his way through a pack of cigarettes. ''Doug is an amazingly creative and energetic writer,'' says Mrs. Franz, who spent six months as co-head writer of ''As the World Turns'' in 1983. She returned to dialogue and breakdown writing after developing stress-related digestive problems. ''You have to be a workaholic to survive in this business,'' she adds. ''With 258 hours a year to fill, you gobble up stories so fast, and then they're after you to produce more and more. For me, it was not worth the agony.''

''A lot of people think that any idiot can write this stuff, but I've seen wonderful playwrights who can't do it,'' says Kathy Talbert, the manager of writer development for Procter & Gamble productions. Miss Talbert receives submissions from a thousand would-be soap writers a year and conducts twice-a-year seminars for a handful of promising candidates on one of the genre's three ''branches'': scriptwriting, breakdown writing and head writing.

''Dialogue writers have to have a terrific ear,'' Miss Talbert says. ''They've got to absorb all the characters and be able to delineate those different voices. Breakdown writers must be good at dramatic structure and pay close attention to character motivation and conflict within each scene. Head writing is a different gift - someone who can spin a story that goes on and on for months. Sometimes we think of it as the novelist of the show.''

Mr. Marland learned the craft in P.& G.'s first scriptwriting seminar in 1974, after having spent the initial half of his career as an actor. Nowadays, he insists, ''you can make a soap as realistic as you want it to be. But when you pull things out of left field, it sours the audience.'' With some pride, Mr. Marland admits to having been fired from ''General Hospital,'' which went from 12th to first in the ratings during his tenure in 1979, because he refused to break up a popular couple two months after they'd been married.

''As the World Turns'' hasn't shown a similarly dramatic ratings rise (it's currently sixth among 13 shows), but wins its second half-hour and, according to Mr. Calhoun, has been steadily increasing its share of teen-age and college viewers this year.

The relative ease of writing for a once-a-week prime-time serial holds no allure for Mr. Marland. ''I love the freedom we get in daytime, based on the fact that we have to produce it so quickly. We don't have people breathing down our backs to rewrite or tearing our work apart - because there simply isn't time.''

Mr. Marland hopes to stay with ''As the World Turns'' for another year or two, then launch a new soap. ''If you really want to tell stories that lead you to other stories, this is the only place you can do that,'' he says. ''Daytime gives you that sweeping, never-ending canvas. The people who really love it stay with it.''

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You're right, Marland's run did become overrated. His ATWT was "my" ATWT so I have rose colored glasses. I appreciate that some here pointed out the flaws in the storytelling. It's good to have some balance. Like years ago with GL I felt like I was the only person who wasn't a fan of the Millee Taggart run at GL, minus a few strong stories.

What was Soul Survivors about?

I wish more of his GL run was out there. I have loved what I've seen of that. You've seen the Machinations clip set with Diane Ballard's downfall, haven't you? It's some of the best soap I've ever seen. I just loved it.

Maybe overrated in hindsight, but all the greats are: Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, Irna Phillips, Claire Labine, Harding Lemay, Henry Slesar. They all had their share of story missteps, too. The difference is the audience was more forgiving then. There weren't such unrealistic expectations that every day must be gold the way it is now. The key point is that Doug new HOW to tell story. HOW to build story. GET the emotional beats. Be true to the characters. SHOW motivation. INVOLVE the audience. Make us CARE. Look at the mess OLTL is today. Ron C. doesn't make us feel anything with his over the top, sensationalistic writing. It's one shocking plot point after another. Writers like RC will never be in the same league as Marland or Bell or Nixon.

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Interesting read. Thanks for posting, Eric. There was always something cold and emotionally removed about Marland's writing at ATWT. I think Harding Lemay may have alluded to this in an interview, and I totally agree. Just not a lot of warmth or sentiment, which I love about soaps.

That is really my only criticism or Marland, his writing was very, very, "waspy," cold. ALL his characters, even the so called "passionate," ones were controlled and cold. Even the Snyders, who are supposed to be this salt of the earth family with tight bonds, were cold. Its interesting that they mention the death of Chris Hughes, as it was typical Marland...it was well written, honoring history, involved the entire cast and spent the appropriate amount of time on it(unlike Bert Bauers memorial which was like two days of shows, they brought no one back for it, and then everyone moved on like there was no Bert) but it was still cold. Nancy was never allowed to show any real grief over her husband dying, which is appropriate as Nancy was never the warmest of matriachs, but others werent allowed to, like Bob and Frannie (had a couple of scenes where she says, "Oh I could just cry," and they cut it off.) Sex was like that with Marland too, it was almost too "messy," to deal with, so the only way characters were allowed to show emotions were when they were in therapy, with Lynn Michaels (Marland must have overdone therapy in the 70s as all his shows had a prominent shrink in it.)

However, no one beat Marland out on respect for history,character, the audience intelligence and no one was more meticulous and disciplined then he was..you may not like a story but it will have some kind of pay off which will ripple through the canvas.

I agree with you that I LOVE schmaltz and warmth, probably why I was always more into Guiding Light, (at least until 1997,) which had messy emotions, hot sex and people who were occassionally rude to one another (I cant imagine what Marland would do with Reva.. send her to a sex therapist I am sure.) I have said it before here that my dream team would have been Marland and Pam Long, Marland would handle the story structure, history and keep the core intact, while Long would infuse the show with emotions, schmaltz and sex. They would have killed each other for sure but what an interesting show that would be.

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I haven't-the main stuff of his GL I've seen is a lot of Nola stuff--the fantasies, etc.

Here's part 1. There are about 29 clips. It heavily involves old backstory but I think they're still accessible even if you don't know all the details. Some of the clips are hard to hear though.

This is probably my favorite clip, superb acting from Sofia Landon, when Diane learns that the man she loves so dearly would sleep with even town slut Rita Bauer over her:

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There was something very campy about Marland's GL that I liked from what I've seen, but it wasn't mundane or stupidly campy, it was highly entertaining and very emotional and character driven. GL was always a more "wilder " show than ATWT, which might explain why he approached both shows so differently, though there were some similarities.

I agree with you that I LOVE schmaltz and warmth, probably why I was always more into Guiding Light, (at least until 1997,) which had messy emotions, hot sex and people who were occassionally rude to one another (I cant imagine what Marland would do with Reva.. send her to a sex therapist I am sure.) I have said it before here that my dream team would have been Marland and Pam Long, Marland would handle the story structure, history and keep the core intact, while Long would infuse the show with emotions, schmaltz and sex. They would have killed each other for sure but what an interesting show that would be.

I think Nancy Curlee's writing style was like a mixture of Marland and Long's, though it was probably more Marland-infused. I thought her GL was very much a mixture of those styles though.

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When do you think GL became a wilder show? Or was it always? I suppose maybe--when it was still 15 mins it was known for faster plots and shorter scenes of course than the languid pace of ATWT.

Thanks Carl for posting that!

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There was something very campy about Marland's GL that I liked from what I've seen, but it wasn't mundane or stupidly campy, it was highly entertaining and very emotional and character driven. GL was always a more "wilder " show than ATWT, which might explain why he approached both shows so differently, though there were some similarities.

I think Marland's real flourish was in writing out of control women, often with a drink in one hand and a nasty quip loaded for bear. He infused these women onto the Oakdale canvas but it was always a little more of a balancing act -- they also had to have heart. GL was a much more natural home for these types of women, because Springfield had had a lot of good/bad women at center stage (Bert, Holly, Robin, Rita, among others) over the years, and the show also needed a ton of new fresh blood on the female side, as longstanding characters like Rita, Elizabeth, and Jackie were on their way out. Marland kept the tradition alive, and after his departure this continued on with Reva, Blake, Mindy, Alex, India, Holly's return, Bridget, Nadine, Dinah, et al. I really believe that the good/bad woman made GL stand out and was one of the reasons GL was so addictive and lasted for so long.

His Springfield does have sweet female characters, ingenues, and I never get the sense that he disliked writing for them, but I think the true passion comes out in scenes with Carrie, Diane, Nola, Helena, and of course Vanessa, who was such a divine bitch goddess pot-stirrer.

Here's a great clip of Carrie's other personality shocking Alan and Ross with her catty comments about Amanda.

Here's a very WTF moment of nutso Vanessa in huge Rhonda Weiss sunglasses badgering mousy Eve McFarren through an apartment door.

And Vanessa and Josh doing karate...seriously.

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(Marland must have overdone therapy in the 70s as all his shows had a prominent shrink in it.)

Hasn't Harding Lemay in one of those audio interviews said how Doug (that's how he called him) was a person with a much darker, pessimistic outlook on life (than he was)?

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I think one reason they're mixed is simply that Marland's ATWT has become perhaps kinda overated... Meaning it's a bit ofa backlash against the unending praise it gets--from some. I haven't seen too much of it, but I know I would have loved it.

Wasn't Marland workin on Soul Survivors around then?

I have another article but have to type it out--about the rise in primetime soaps (just after Knots Landing premiered) that spends the second half of the article talking about Marland startign work at Guiding Light after P&G hired him as a consultant when he left GH (I guess that's why he was at ATWT for all of 2 seconds back then). It's interesting tocompare his comments, I'll try to get it done sometime this week lol).

I still wish I could hear him talk more about his Loving experience, not to mention New Day in Eden.

Eric, you are amazing finding all of these articles. I am like in love with you ;-)

There are a mix of feelings regaring Marland's ATWT and agree with you about the issue of backlash. One of the main problems, for me, was that he made the show a bit too warm and fuzzy for my taste. Always felt that his main themes were honesty and self-improvment. I can't remember couples splitting over little white lies and some of the bitch characters loosing their edge. All and all, I grew up on Marland's World and was, in many ways, shaped by it. I probably learned a little bit about morality, too.

I feels as if Marland tried to please everyone, including himself: He kept all of the families, aside from the McCall's; he brought the Hughes' back front and center; maintained the Stewarts; expanded the Walsh family; added the Snyder clan. The show almost became bloated during his time--too many characters and not enough canvus. I am wondering if doing something a bit more radical such as putting an end to a few families might have boosted ratings and made things easier for future writers. Sad but true that the rating didn't budge much during his tenure.

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They would have killed each other for sure but what an interesting show that would be.

You know something? I don't think so. In fact, if Marland had worked with Pam Long, or even Nancy Curlee, I'd bet theirs would have been one of the most productive and healthy collaborations in daytime. Marland would have "upped his game," so to speak; and each would have done his or her utmost to move the other emotionally. However, it all would have been done in the name of producing the most heart-rending, gratifying drama possible.

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It was never clear how much input Agnes had in early Loving, but it felt more like a Nixon show than a Marland show. I know Agnes has spoken well of him, but I wonder what their working relationship was like. I have the feeling that it was a total pissing contest between them.

Not so much a "pissing contest," I would say, than just a difference of opinion what kind of show LOVING needed to be. IMO, Nixon wanted LOVING to be more like AMC, while Marland preferred to let the show have an identity of its own.

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However, no one beat Marland out on respect for history,character, the audience intelligence and no one was more meticulous and disciplined then he was..you may not like a story but it will have some kind of pay off which will ripple through the canvas.

Exactly. I appreciated Agnes Nixon's (and by extension, Wisner Washam's) sense of humor, and Bill Bell's ability to mount suspense over a long period of time, but if you were to ask me who elevated soap opera to that of an artform, I'd have to go w/ Douglas Marland.

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Maybe overrated in hindsight, but all the greats are: Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, Irna Phillips, Claire Labine, Harding Lemay, Henry Slesar.

Except that I never ever on this board saw anyone criticise Agnes Nixon, considered a holy cow of daytime, it seems.

Bill Bell? Check.

Irna Phillips? Check.

Claire Labine? Check.

Harding Lemay? Check. (One person.)

Henry Slesar? Check.

Agnes Nixon? Nope. I must have missed it somewhere...

Do I think she should be? Do I think she shouldn't be? Irrelevant.

but if you were to ask me who elevated soap opera to that of an artform, I'd have to go w/ Douglas Marland.

I'd have to go with Harding Lemay.

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Hasn't Harding Lemay in one of those audio interviews said how Doug (that's how he called him) was a person with a much darker, pessimistic outlook on life (than he was)?

Which I, for one, find extremely hard to believe. I'd say Lemay's just about as pessimistic when it comes to the human condition as Marland was. I mean, you can't write something as psychologically twisted as the Mac/Rachel/Iris triangle w/o having a somewhat dim view on father/daughter relationships.

I'd have to go with Harding Lemay.

No arguments here. Lemay and Marland would have been my dream team.

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Which I, for one, find extremely hard to believe. I'd say Lemay's just about as pessimistic when it comes to the human condition as Marland was. I mean, you can't write something as psychologically twisted as the Mac/Rachel/Iris triangle w/o having a somewhat dim view on father/daughter relationships.

I distinctly remember him saying that. I can't write down the words exactly, but it was something like this: (In a really sweet tone, remembering his good friend) Oh, Doug, Doug was great! But Doug was a person with a much darker view of the world than I. And then I can't remember what he said next! :lol:

I think that... Yes, there were times when Lemay had his darker moments, but he wouldn't have, for surrre, went through all that he did go through if he didn't have, and still has, a much more optimistic attitude and strength.

No arguments here. Lemay and Marland would have been my dream team.

I think those two are absolutely in a class of their own. Above Nixon & Bell certainly. Lemay's place up there might be problematic because people will say But he only wrote one show!, but I don't think it's an issue.

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Which I, for one, find extremely hard to believe. I'd say Lemay's just about as pessimistic when it comes to the human condition as Marland was. I mean, you can't write something as psychologically twisted as the Mac/Rachel/Iris triangle w/o having a somewhat dim view on father/daughter relationships.

No arguments here. Lemay and Marland would have been my dream team.

For me, I'd throw Henry Slesar in there, and actually would place him above them. But all three are certainly above Irna, Agnes and Bill, IMO.

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