Where is Demi Moore these days anyway?!

Daytime could use a Meredith Johnson type.

Oh, I don't know what she's done to herself since, but a decade ago she hadn't done anything else to her belly!

Demi is an avid follower of that sham/cult Kaballah and close friends with Madonna.

Mysticism is very attractive when your life is pretty superficial. Every religion has something along those lines. Eat Pray Love wouldn't have been such a hit if it hadn't touched on this exact issue.

Mysticism is very attractive when your life is pretty superficial. Every religion has something along those lines. Eat Pray Love wouldn't have been such a hit if it hadn't touched on this exact issue.

Kabbalah is interesting, but what Madonna and Demi are practicing can't be called such. And I think many scholars over the years called them out on it.

Edited October 26, 201015 yr by Sylph

Aniston wouldn't say it. She's too worried about what people think of her, what Oprah's audience would make of her. What? America's Sweetheart is judging people's looks? That's so mean! Maybe she's not the relatable gal we thought she was.

I wouldn't demand that she apologize if she were the one making that statement. It would confirm my opinion of her -- that she is bitchy and judgmental, but hides behind a facade of being the poor, victimized good girl whose cheery self can't seem to land a nice guy. Aww. Poor Jen! Then I would be somewhat impressed that she cut the BS and actually started saying what she really thought for a change, instead of consulting Huvane, her PR team and a focus group on what to say and how to act.

But JC isn't America's rapidly aging Sweetheart, she is a 70-something, wig-wearing, bitchy diva who has based her career on playing bitches. She is one, darling, and doesn't care what you think of her. It's not like her "career," such as it is, is going to suffer for it.

And if JC was stunningly beautiful, would you then allow her to pass judgment on Beautiful People? Yeah, I don't think so.

Cat, perfect summation of Jennifer Aniston. Aniston is one of those actresses who bitches and moans about photographers and tabloids, all while having Kevin Huvane and her PR flacks plant stories about her left and right, hers is an image that has taken decades to sculpt and Aniston will be damned if it changes. Unfortunately for Ms Aniston, all of the spin she's generated around herself since her marriage to Brad Pitt hasn't served her career the way it could have (a la Nicole Kidman), instead, her films have flopped, her image has floundered and her looks, whatever she had of them, are fading and she's becoming irrelevant in a town that has little pity. Her America's Sweetheart image has been eclipsed and her star is dimming from view.

Joan Collins stands by her words and isn't apologizing. She uttered her opinion, it's her legal right to do so. Unlike many, she's owning what she said.

I wouldn't "allow" it because it's vulgar and uncouth. But I think she does care about what people think because she can't relax and retire, disappear. Which is why her inferiority and silly idea that she is as beautiful as the Hollywood divas of yore won't let her keep quiet.

But I wouldn't care if she didn't care. LOL.

Dumb idiotic hag who makes a spectacle of herself.

Vulgar and uncouth, certainly. Tasteless, tacky, classless? Sure. Does Joan Collins care about being any of those things? No, she doesn't. If she did, she'd be back peddling with the best of them, shrinking from view, offering apologies...none of which she's doing.

And why should she relax and retire? She's still enjoying herself, still having fun, still alive.

I tend to see them both as putting facades to the audience. Joan puts on a glam persona, Jennifer tries to be the girl next door. They've both likely had surgeries and they both know how to play the game. If I lean towards Joan it's because she entertains me and she has made a career based on her appeal, not on her marriage, and that's something I haven't seen from Jennifer.

I will say that Jennifer has been smart to not go as far into the procedures as Courtney Cox has. It's tough sometimes to look at her.

Everyone puts on a facade, it's the nature of the business. And I feel the way you do Carl, Joan's made a career on her appeal, she's 77 and still, mildly, relevant. If she wasn't, her comments wouldn't have been a blip on the radar screen.

Exactly - subjective.

In all honesty, I don't think a woman's face is even truly interesting until you can see her life in some of the lines. Unfortunately plastic surgery is removing that story before these women even begin telling it and they look like circus freaks all too quickly.

I remember an interview with Demi Moore well over a decade ago and they were talking about her stretch marks. The interviewer was commenting on how she got rid of her marks and Demi glibly told her it was called "air brushing". If I recall correctly Demi then went on to say she earned every one of those marks and was proud of them - they spoke of her children and how they came into being. I can honestly say as a mother of four, when I look at my stretch marks I hear that attitude in the back of my head and every line says "I really wanted you", "I'm so glad you're here".

Recently I've been going on a bit of a Mary McDonnell obsession and watching everything of hers I can find including interviews. One scene in particular that strikes me is in BSG the first time her character is dying of cancer and she's lying on the gurney. Her face is empty except for the laugh lines deeply etched beside her eyes. I'm fascinated by that and wonder what it says about an almost 60-year old woman that the deepest marks on her face are from laughing - not frown lines or worry lines. I think that's an amazing statement about who she is as a person.

In this world where plastic surgery is almost expected of actresses as they age, what does their face really mean in the end? Regardless of whether you prefer glam or girl-next-door, nothing of substance is left to tell us who they are as people.

I can do nothing but bow down at the sentiment expressed in this post!

There is a line between fixing something that makes you feel self-conscious, and conforming to impossible standards of youth and so-called beauty.

When I think of my grandmother, I don't think of her age but the fact that she had the softest, most velvety skin I have ever touched. If she'd been stretched and pulled and botoxed and acid-peeled to within an inch of her life, she would have become... untouchable. Frozen.

About Demi, though: she may not have had her stretchmarks done. But she's had something done. Something that allows her features to move. Because damn. She looks better now than she did 15 years ago.

Kabbalah is interesting, but what Madonna and Demi are practicing can't be called such. And I think many scholars over the years called them out on it.

I'm not surprised. When it comes to faith there is still that basic human desire to be in control of the Uncontrollable - we humans really aren't a bright lot much of the time.

DaytimeFan's blood must be boiling reading you slightly anti-Joan rhetoric, Sylph.

Not boiling at all. Sylph's never really liked Joan. Everyone is entitled to express their own opinion.

Well, if he said nothing about your rodent comments – and you said it twice, if I counted correctly – then he won't say anything now.

The rodent comments are just like Joan's comments about Aniston, an opinion, which everyone is entitled to express. Looks are subjective to a great degree, if anyone should know that, it's me !

I'm not surprised. When it comes to faith there is still that basic human desire to be in control of the Uncontrollable - we humans really aren't a bright lot much of the time.

Y&RWorldTurner, the Madonna expert , will correct me, but I think she even changed her name (legally?) to Esther on the advice she received from the Kabbalah Centre. She was also accused of blasphemy by some rabbis because of her song Isaac.

I can do nothing but bow down at the sentiment expressed in this post!

There is a line between fixing something that makes you feel self-conscious, and conforming to impossible standards of youth and so-called beauty.

When I think of my grandmother, I don't think of her age but the fact that she had the softest, most velvety skin I have ever touched. If she'd been stretched and pulled and botoxed and acid-peeled to within an inch of her life, she would have become... untouchable. Frozen.

About Demi, though: she may not have had her stretchmarks done. But she's had something done. Something that allows her features to move. Because damn. She looks better now than she did 15 years ago.

Thank you.

And you've just hit upon the button of truth - women get better looking with age!!! (Men do too, but we aren't focused on them at the moment ...... Sean Connery for example).

The cult of plastic surgery is denying that beauty for some seamless ideal of a mannequin's face.

Again with my BSG obsession: you put Mary Mcdonnell, Grace Park, Katee Sackhoff and Tricia Hefler together and the stand out by far is Mary. The others are all attractive women, but she exudes beauty in a way the younger women haven't earned yet.

Edited October 26, 201015 yr by remos

Y&RWorldTurner, the Madonna expert , will correct me, but I think she even changed her name (legally?) to Esther on the advice she received from the Kabbalah Centre. She was also accused of blasphemy by some rabbis because of her song Isaac.

I love the word "blasphemy"... it's so biased...

true bit of trivia: Bing Crosby almost didn't record Adeste Fideles because he thought it would be blasphemy, and never accepted a dime for doing it because he was so strongly Catholic. Now that didn't stop him from beating the crap out of his kids or being one of the bigger egos around, but hey, he was respectful!

- Remos... who amoung other talents has a degree in Theology and a great ability to piss off the Christian Establishment....

I love the word "blasphemy"... it's so biased...

true bit of trivia: Bing Crosby almost didn't record Adeste Fideles because he thought it would be blasphemy, and never accepted a dime for doing it because he was so strongly Catholic. Now that didn't stop him from beating the crap out of his kids or being one of the bigger egos around, but hey, he was respectful!

- Remos... who amoung other talents has a degree in Theology and a great ability to piss off the Christian Establishment....

I feel like I'm attending a fête in hôtel Lambert every day here on SON. The invitees are graduates from prestigious East Coast drama schools or have coveted med school degrees, are globe-trotting from one financial centre to another, one day you hear they're in Barcelona, the other in the Balearics, some are directors in Manhattan advertising agencies, while some others are daytime writers with annual salary exceeding $2m. And some are theologians!

All kinds of fabulous.

A few years ago I remember thinking Mary Steenburgen started to look different, more plastic, but I was never sure. I was wondering if any of you might be able to tell anything from these photos. It was an anniversary thing for Back to the Future. Lea Thomson and a few others are also there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1323888/Back-To-The-Future-cast-reunited-anniversary-launch.html

Mysticism is very attractive when your life is pretty superficial. Every religion has something along those lines. Eat Pray Love wouldn't have been such a hit if it hadn't touched on this exact issue.

Boy did you nail THAT on the head.

I feel like I'm attending a fête in hôtel Lambert every day here on SON. The invitees are graduates from prestigious East Coast drama schools or have coveted med school degrees, are globe-trotting from one financial centre to another, one day you hear they're in Barcelona, the other in the Balearics, some are directors in Manhattan advertising agencies, while some others are daytime writers with annual salary exceeding $2m. And some are theologians!

All kinds of fabulous.

I used to hang out on SOC and got in trouble ALL THE TIME. I've now come to realize the intellectuals live here - it's much more fun!!!

I feel like I'm attending a fête in hôtel Lambert every day here on SON. The invitees are graduates from prestigious East Coast drama schools or have coveted med school degrees, are globe-trotting from one financial centre to another, one day you hear they're in Barcelona, the other in the Balearics, some are directors in Manhattan advertising agencies, while some others are daytime writers with annual salary exceeding $2m. And some are theologians!

All kinds of fabulous.

Well, I am headed to Geneva next week!