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Linda Gottlieb article 1992

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I know this woman elicits strong feelings among some posters here.

Here's an article from 92.I think Connie Passalacqua(Marlena DeLaCroix was the writer)

When the daytime soap world gathers at the Sheraton New York Hotel tonight for the 19th annual Daytime Emmy Awards, the main schmooze for once won't be Susan Lucci's 12-time failure to win the best actress statuette. The buzz instead will be about the ABC soap opera "One Life to Live, " whose new producer, Linda Gottlieb, has been making a controversial attempt to revolutionize the stagnant daytime soap opera form.

Gottlieb, who produced the hit film "Dirty Dancing, " had no prior daytime soap experience when she took the job last July. In the insular world of daytime television, which traditionally promotes and hires from within, her name may as well be Fletcher Christian.

' "One Life to Live' is the anti-soap, " says Robert Rorke, senior editor of Soap Opera Digest. "Like a soap opera antihero, you never know what it's going to do next. "

Soap audiences used to perfect-looking actors and actresses have tuned into such scenes as one in which a bald man (Paul Bartel) defended a psychotic woman for murder; the key clue to that murder may have been provided by an even balder man (Wallace Shawn). In a world where it's de rigueur for soap hunks to be monosyllabic, "One Life to Live " characters quote Shakespeare and recite the poetry of Burns, Donne, Rossetti and Shelley. In a genre that spins on endless romances, fantasy and froth, one recent "OLTL " storyline hinged on a scene straight out of "The Snake Pit " -- one character's visit to the sanitarium where her sister grew up.

"I had hoped by the end of my stint that I would be able to do for the world of daytime what Steven Bochco did for nighttime TV, " says Gottlieb, referring to the writer-producer whose "Hill Street Blues " revolutionized the hour police drama. "He took a form that was mired in its own preconceptions and brought it into the modern world. He showed things that were rough and uneven, and that characters aren't gorgeous all the time. And that's what makes his shows seem alive. Look, I've hired a guy with a scar on his face (Mark Brettschneider, who plays teen rebel Jason Webb). "

That's just one of her changes. Gottlieb, who admits she had never watched a daytime soap before agreeing to take the helm of "One Life to Live, " says, "It's rare to have a chance to come in to something that you don't know anything about. Either it means you are going to fall on your face or you're free to rethink it. "

Soaps had never kept up with new technology, says Gottlieb, who has introduced film-like post-production techniques, including computerized music editing. Gottlieb envisions making music as intrinsic to the success of "One Life to Live " as it was to "Dirty Dancing. " She has already hired personal friends Judy Collins (to sing a love theme) and off-Broadway composer Elizabeth Swados (to score a location sequence). And she has also used such cult actors as Bartel ( "Eating Raoul ") and Shawn ( "My Dinner With Andre ") in guest roles.

"Why not get the best people working for this medium? We're reaching a ton of people. It's as if soaps in the past have been self-conscious adolescents saying, 'We're gawky; we'd better not go after the good-looking guys,' " she says in an interview in her office at "OLTL's " West Side studio.

Gottlieb's most valuable, if not radical, hire has been head writer Michael Malone, a former University of Pennsylvania professor and well-reviewed author of such complex novels as "Time's Witness " and the recent "Foolscap. " Most head writers are veterans who hop from show to show, but Malone, like Gottlieb, had no soap experience.

Not everyone is sold on her approach. "There are tried-and-true rules that make a soap work, " says Freeman Gunter, a managing editor of Soap Opera Weekly. "Gottlieb wants to reinvent the wheel, but the wheel's already been here for 40 years. Some think it's working just fine. "

Indeed, in Gottlieb's rush to innovate, she has cast aside the three crucial soap opera elements that have kept audiences addicted since the dawn of TV:

* Continuity: In an admirable attempt to pick up the slow pace of soaps, "One Life to Live " has done several short-term, close-ended storylines -- on such subjects as wife-beating and prejudice -- reminiscent to the arcs used on the prime-time drama "Wiseguy. " But these stories simply ended, leaving viewers free to zap to other soaps. "In soaps, continuity is the most important element in building ratings and audiences, " says Douglas Marland, head writer of CBS' "As the World Turns. "

* Familiarity: "What makes a soap work for people is the familiarity they feel with characters -- the predictability, " Gunter says. "They're shocked when they tune in and see a character acting like they're on a medication which doesn't agree with them. " Under Gottlieb, the heroic Viki Buchanan (played by Erika Slezak), the show's central focus for 23 years, was suddenly pushed to the back burner and was transformed from a kindly, liberal figure into a meddling mother-in-law.

* Likability: Soap audiences tune in every day to see characters they love or love to hate, no matter how stereotypical they seem. In an attempt to build more complex, lifelike characters, Malone's creations are many shades of gray.

In her defense, Gottlieb says she's not producing the show for the soap audience, but more from her own tastes and instincts.

As with any insurgent, there has been resistance toward Gottlieb in the soap industry. "She's perceived as arrogant for saying she can reinvent something that everyone else has been doing for so long, " Gunter says.

Others, however, feel that soap operas, whose formats haven't changed much in 40 years, desperately need a kick. "Soaps have never responded to the new competition presented by cable and video, " says Soap Opera Digest's Rorke. "Soap audiences also now include substantial percentages of men and college students as well as the traditional audience of homemakers. If Gottlieb is being dynamic and shaking things up, then good for her. "

And there is evidence that Gottlieb's gambles may be paying off, even if the soap was not nominated this year for an Emmy as best daytime serial. "One Life to Live " (seen weekdays at 1 p.m. on ABC, Channels 7, 3, 10 and 42) ranked 10th (out of 11) in the ratings when Gottlieb arrived last year and is now fifth. Still, that's not as high as it reached through most of the '80s, when it placed third or fourth.

Gottlieb says she's aware of the negative industry talk about her attempts. She shrugs: "You've just got to keep pushing the envelope. The great thing about soaps is if you fail one day, you can pick yourself up and try something else the next. "

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I blame Chris Whitesell from Sunset Beach for a lot of that, as well as Gary's own love for camp and flair over substance; he would drop everything for a hot piece of ass or a wild idea. I'm sorry but there is a right way and a wrong way to do light humor and I think RC's is vastly superior. Gary and Whitesell had Todd having wacky mariachi band fantasies during the Baby Jack story. Gary was a good guy and he has some good ideas, he can run a show, but until the past two years I'd've never said let him write one again. He did okay, however, during the strike despite several big missteps, and his DOOL is, um, passable. He's a far better producer, though.

The RJ/Keri story offended me. Finally a story for the Gannons and it was about Antonio and an obnoxious white woman who would not stop screaming. The only reason they cast Barbara Niven (who I could not stand, yet fans latched onto because of her open friendship with fansites) is because they didn't want to put another black woman on the show. But I did like Sherri Saum when Keri turned bitch - and then Malone killed her.

There were some great stories, though, even if they weren't always well-executed; the baby switch, Allison, Mitch, Natalie and Cris, etc. And some good couples. I loved Gabrielle and Bo, and Gabby's relationship with Todd. And a lot of good, classic moments, more than anything else.

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Tomlin's OLTL was the total opposite of JFP's dark and gloomy era, it was like they intentionally tried to be the opposite of her era, and who could blame them? After the JFP years, OLTL needed some fun again, but I think Tomlin and Whitesell went overboard with the camp and bizarre story ideas. They didn't know how to control themselves.

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The odd thing is that's one of my main memories of David Vickers; swaying to the music during the mariachi fantasy.

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He wasn't very subtle, that's for sure. I'm always grateful for that year or so of Teddy Sears. The weird Seths, not so much.

Poor Brandon Routh--he was SOO awful on it. And then he was recdast forone who seemed more gay or something?

I remember Sears on the show but have no memory of who he played except he was with Blair.

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The RJ/Keri story offended me. Finally a story for the Gannons and it was about Antonio and an obnoxious white woman who would not stop screaming. The only reason they cast Barbara Niven (who I could not stand, yet fans latched onto because of her open friendship with fansites) is because they didn't want to put another black woman on the show. But I did like Sherri Saum when Keri turned bitch - and then Malone killed her.

The part I hated the most was that they had to have Keri unknowingly carry Antonio's love child with her mother. Why was that a good idea?

Thanks for reminding me of her name. Continuing on my porn train of thought, she always reminded me of those erotic radio talk show hosts/resort owners/magazine editors on the Skinemax circuit.

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That's a good description.

The only thing is you only want to see so much of these hairless men who have big muscles but look like they're all for show.

I still wonder what happened to the show in 2002. 2001 wasn't perfect but Tomlin and Broderick/Whitesell had done some decent stories, some with potential. Then it all went to pot. Even all those years later I still wonder what might have been with RJ and his daughter Keri, especially without that breathy blonde woman who was Keri's mother and nailed Antonio (before knowing who he was) during one of his breakdowns.

I like a good beefcake as much as anyone but yeah that hairless, muscly chippendales look seemed campy and out of date even ten years ago to me--not even fun eye candy.

I agree it started off though as a fun regime and I even liked some of the stunts (live week etc). I'd still love to hear exactly how Whitesell and Broderick worked together.

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Poor Brandon Routh--he was SOO awful on it. And then he was recdast forone who seemed more gay or something?

I remember Sears on the show but have no memory of who he played except he was with Blair.

I think that was the plan. That may have also been the reason for his Godly rant on his website.

And this guy was cast in a major movie...

Every time I saw the second Chad I thought of his AW role, where he was this weird hanger-on working for the big evil psychic friend network, Lumina. He was a love interest for awful Sofia Carlino before she left town. Then he ended up being turned to dust via lightning, because he wanted to turn against Lumina.

Teddy Sears/Chad also had a brief relationship with Troy's sister, which I dont' remember.

And he took artistic photos with the girl who played Flash/Sarah, for Nathan Purdee.

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I blame Chris Whitesell from Sunset Beach for a lot of that, as well as Gary's own love for camp and flair over substance; he would drop everything for a hot piece of ass or a wild idea. I'm sorry but there is a right way and a wrong way to do light humor and I think RC's is vastly superior. Gary and Whitesell had Todd having wacky mariachi band fantasies during the Baby Jack story. Gary was a good guy and he has some good ideas, he can run a show, but until the past two years I'd've never said let him write one again. He did okay, however, during the strike despite several big missteps, and his DOOL is, um, passable. He's a far better producer, though.

I didn't realize he worked as a producer right under Behr for much of her AMC. But I agree with everything you say.

I think that was the plan. That may have also been the reason for his Godly rant on his website.

And this guy was cast in a major movie...

Every time I saw the second Chad I thought of his AW role, where he was this weird hanger-on working for the big evil psychic friend network, Lumina. He was a love interest for awful Sofia Carlino before she left town. Then he ended up being turned to dust via lightning, because he wanted to turn against Lumina.

Teddy Sears/Chad also had a brief relationship with Troy's sister, which I dont' remember.

And he took artistic photos with the girl who played Flash/Sarah, for Nathan Purdee.

I didn't watch OLTL every day back then, but wow I'm actually surprised I had no idea there were two Chads either... I don't even remember Flash before the Storm of Change (whichI admit brought me back watching full time because of Malone and Griffith returning.

Routh had a Godly rant? LOL

Superman Returns wasn't great but he was an ok boring Superman I thought--which shows how diff movie acting (tons of takes, quick scenes) can be than soap acting. When he was cast I happily ranted on to anyone who would listen how amazing it was they cast a lead in a 150 mill dollar movie with someone who was perhaps THE least charismatic and worse soap actor (which says something) I had seen in a long time (well since Carlos on AMC anyway came around)

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Thanks for reminding me of her name. Continuing on my porn train of thought, she always reminded me of those erotic radio talk show hosts/resort owners/magazine editors on the Skinemax circuit.

You're really quite the connoiseur ;)

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There were two Seths, not two Chads. Sorry for the mixup.

When Routh was fired I believe he put a rant on his website saying God would have the last word, or whatever.

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HAHA ok I knew that. Too funny. *goes to youtube to look for those campy glance scenes they seemed to endlessly have between Rex and Seth 2*

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Gary did plan for Rex (then named "Jamie" and cryptically asexual for his first four to six months on the show) to seduce Seth away from Jessica, which was the reason for Seth and Rex's very aggressive, homoerotic hate-on that year. JPL said he'd been alerted to this possibility when he was hired and had no problem with it. They'd planned to go all the way with it, apparently, including a bedroom scene. Then Gary got canned by Brian Frons. It was a real shame, as Rex was poised to be daytime's first (non-coded) gay villain. You knew things had radically changed when apropos of nothing, out of nowhere, Rex fucked two roving college sluts Mollie and Shawna in one episode and turned overtly nasty, as opposed to ambiguous and hard to read. But Rex remained popular as a snide schemer for a couple years afterwards.

Teddy Sears played Chad, who was at first just a dayplayer in the storyline where Lindsay tried to....sigh....frame Cristian as an Internet porn star to lower him in Jen's eyes. Chad was a bartender at RJ's gay bar (Break Bar) who Linds enlisted for help. Gary and the audience (and Gary) took a shine to Teddy, so he got a contract and did nothing for a year, except almost [!@#$%^&*] Blair and then enter a stunningly boring relationship with another needless character, Troy and Colin's sister Emily McIver. Emily had previously been referred to as "Carol" offscreen, which led to an unbelievably unnecessary rationalization by the writers who had Emily launch into a tortured narrative about how she had been called "Christmas Carol" as a small child, leading to her changing her name. Emily and Chad did nothing for a few months, occasionally sharing scenes in which Emily refused to get close to him because she'd heard he was "a player." Then Emily spent months supporting the "Joanna" story, then popped up once as an under-five at a frat party under Malone and Griffith, then disappeared for good.

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I didn't remember she was an under five. I'm surprised they didn't bring her back again just to kill her off in that story about the college students biting it.

I still sort of wish they'd bring Chad back for Blair. I guess we can take Chad the lifeguard from last year as some homage.

Did Seth even have an exit? I just remember him showing up once or twice after Jessica broke up with him and Erin left the show.

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Right I heard about that story--and it was obvious and actually I think I woulda have enjoyed it--I certainly like JPL more back then.

HAHA I forgot about the net porn star thing. I don't remember Emily at all but I do remember CHad hanging around looking pretty with nothing to do for a long time (Sears has had a pretty decent career since then so I guess the laugh's on them)

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No, Emily was on contract. But she functioned as under-five by the time Malone and Griffith used her as an extra in that frat party bit, where Jen melted down in front of Cristian and Natalie and Marcie and Rex fought. That was her last appearance.

Seth did have an exit in January '03, when he tracked down Jessica who was hiding from the family after learning Mitch was her father. It was actually a very well-written scene, the best they'd ever had together, which I think Griffith and Malone penned; this was when they were ghostwriting certain material before their official takeover, and in many cases that material was better than a lot of what came after February. Jessica said she couldn't trust him, as he'd colluded with Viki to keep the truth from her, and she said goodbye. It seemed they were considering finally pairing her with Al, who Jess was hiding out with, but that faded away fast in the name of the unspeakable Antonio/Jessica. Some weeks after that episode (Seth's last appearance), in February, Viki called around town and spoke to Seth (offscreen) to see if he knew where Jess had gone, so apparently he was still in Llanview at the time.

Erin Torpey hated the romance with Seth and was openly contemptuous of it. That and what she felt was her marginalization in favor of Natalie was why she left the show. I liked both but yes, Jessica got a raw deal in 2002.

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