Did Casiello tell you that?

You mean the Twitter friend he has some bias for?

Oh, come on!!!

1) No matter how good or bad her solo run on B&B was, she was one person doing everything from HWing to scripts for months. And she still managed to do something better. And her work for B&B is really rather irrevelant to her work on Y&R (or it should be). They are two very different shows in many ways.

2) You answered your own question. Bell has total control over the show. And what he says, goes.

3) Again, you identify the real reasons why something happened and choose to ignore them. The ratings for Y&R started falling when all the ratings for soaps started falling. And she came right after Bell, had to compete with his brilliance, who I might add had been losing ratings since... 1993? And I love how you conveniently forget that the worst ratings decline EVER was under Queen MAB, who you continue trying to support. Kay Alden is not the second coming. I have a feeling I don't even like her as a person. But she wrote a good Y&R.

Exactly.

Edited February 1, 201015 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I really hate Micahel Muhney, not just his crappy over the top cartoon acting, but his public persona.

As some of you know, We Love Soaps is doing a countdown of their favourite soap actress, where Granny Cooper, I mean Jeanne Cooper, came it at #7. They have quotes from many talking about these actresses and here's what Muhney had to say about Jeanne.

http://www.welovesoaps.net/2010/02/50-greatest-soap-actresses-7-jeanne.html#more

Michael Muhney: (works with Cooper on Y&R) Jeanne is a load of fun and can spar with anyone. Nothing intimidates that woman, and that's why I love her.She's also quite complimentary of my acting so she has charmed her way into my heart.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Like we needed to know the last part and as if it served any relevance to this. Yeah, he might have been trying to be funny, but the way this guy tries to sell himself and his awful stories really grates my nerves.

Edited February 1, 201015 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

The Bell's only signed off on Latham and "new Y&R" because Barbara Bloom forced Latham on them and wanted to find a job for her old college friend that she worked with previously on Port Charles.

I have to say that Lynn Latham is a strange, obscure choice. She was clearly brought on as someone who Barbarella Bloom could control, i.e. not have clashes and stuff, who wouldn't contradict her.

But also SONY, one would guess, has to have some input. It is funny how they chose Lynn as someone who would modernise this show — what kind of modernising credentials does she have? Which shows did she modernise? Total bull from SONY, Barbarella & Co.

I can only guess that it was because she was a primetime writer once upon a time and it would be "such an honour" to have someone like that cross from primetime to daytime. They wanted to primetime-ise a daytime show. Which is such an imbecilic idea, so laughable, senseless and insane, there are no words, really.

I really hate Micahel Muhney, not just his crappy over the top cartoon acting, but his public persona.

As some of you know, We Love Soaps is doing a countdown of their favourite soap actress, where Granny Cooper, I mean Jeanne Cooper, came it at #7. They have quotes from many talking about these actresses and here's what Muhney had to say about Jeanne.

http://www.welovesoa...eanne.html#more

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Like we needed to know the last part and as if it served any relevance to this. Yeah, he might have been trying to be funny, but the way this guy tries to sell himself and his awful stories really grates my nerves.

:lol:

He so had to pimp himself as this brillian actor!!!

Unbelievable.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Like we needed to know the last part and as if it served any relevance to this. Yeah, he might have been trying to be funny, but the way this guy tries to sell himself and his awful stories really grates my nerves.

Muhney needs to sit his ass down.

Barbara Bloom needs to work on that Brian Presley recast like STAT. You know she wants to do it.

And you did watch Alden's stint at Y&R, right? How was her solo stint any worse than the Y&R of today?

And you also claimed Y&R suffered greatly after Alden left and Latham was by herself, correct? So why are you now knocking Alden and her contributions to Y&R to protect this regime?

I totally enjoyed Alden's stint (unless she was responsible for bringing in the Hodges...but I'm pretty sure that was Jack Smith ). When she FIRST took over, and swept those Landers away, and launched the Victor-Diane divorce, I was in heaven!

My view of her at Y&R is NOT critically negative. What I'm saying is that she was unable to buck the trend of ratings decline, and her average weekly decline rate was basically unprecedented. I totally understand why she was replaced.

What I never knew was how much she was coasting on the fumes of Bill Bell, versus creating her own vision moving forward. What did she create that has lasted? I'm sincerely asking. The Dennison girls? Or was that Bill Bell.

I think Kay was likely a PERFECT co-head writer, esp. for Bill Bell. That is not a criticism, but I'm not sure (based on her more recent work) that we could expect her to do anything more that work with someone else's vision and make it more "Y&R-authentic". It still means we're missing the visionary under whom she works.

And how are Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, Scott Hamner, and company offering this same "stable vision" that will move Y&R into the "future?" How is their Y&R better at that than Alden's?

I am not saying MAB/team is BETTER. This isn't a comparison. I'm just saying, if you remove MAB, I don't think you replace her with Alden. I don't think that will solve anything.

I think you bring in a new person to take Y&R in an evolutionary direction. (Yes, I think that could have been LML...too bad she was such a mismanager, and she was so eager to discard ALL traditional trappings of Y&R rather than moving more slowly). I think Y&R needs the equivalent of Michael-Malone-at-Y&R. Someone who really shakes up and invents. The problem is that so many traditionalists don't like ANY deviation from Y&R's "classic" production values and "classic" characters. So, I think evolution is doomed to fail.

Thus, I feel the best shot is to retain MAB and continue on our path to extinction,

The devil you know is better than the one you don't.

And Maria and Company have ALWAYS been beneficial to Y&R's ratings? Since when do ratings always reflect on creativity?

You will stop at nothing to make excuse after excuse for why this regime is good and should stay, even as you admit at times that they suck.

MAB's long-term impact on ratings is not clear. She had that horrible fall, regained the viewers, then fail again, then seems to be regaining again. It's a big 'ole "W" trajectory. Very confusing.

Creatively, no one has matched Bell, obviously. If I think back on the whole post-Bell era, the ONLY story that really stands out for me is Cassie's death (i.e., Jack Smith). That really was a game-changer, and I liked it very much. On the romance side, I really liked what Smith did with JT and Colleen. Unfortunately, the episodes that Smith pens as scriptwriter over at B&B these days are among the most florid (second only to ham-and-cheese-Mulcahey). So...I don't think he's got it anymore either.

I would be open to MAB being replaced TODAY...but only if the chose was clearly inspired, or at least risky. Turning to reheated leftovers (and nearing retirement age--which is only relevant because pop culture is driven by youth) is not the answer.

Did Casiello tell you that?

I don't know. You seem to be trolling him. (And me?). What did he say?

Oh, come on!!!

1) No matter how good or bad her solo run on B&B was, she was one person doing everything from HWing to scripts for months. And she still managed to do something better. And her work for B&B is really rather irrevelant to her work on Y&R (or it should be). They are two very different shows in many ways.

2) You answered your own question. Bell has total control over the show. And what he says, goes.

3) Again, you identify the real reasons why something happened and choose to ignore them. The ratings for Y&R started falling when all the ratings for soaps started falling. And she came right after Bell, had to compete with his brilliance, who I might add had been losing ratings since... 1993? And I love how you conveniently forget that the worst ratings decline EVER was under Queen MAB, who you continue trying to support. Kay Alden is not the second coming. I have a feeling I don't even like her as a person. But she wrote a good Y&R.

No, I fully admit MAB's horrible decline at the start of her reign. I'm the one who showed that her weekly decline trajectory exceed all others for that brief time!!

BUT...in the long run...her impact on the ratings is much more ambivalent. The basic long-haul trend is one of stability. That makes it harder to justify a switch on business grounds.

I'd LOVE to be as inspired by Y&R as I once was. But I think simply swapping "chiefs" is a short-sighted strategy that often yields failure.

You'll think I'm crazy, especially with my disillusionment with B&B, but I think Brad Bell should get a chance.

Why? Because even though I don't like his B&B, he has managed to be VERY TRUE to a certain vision of that show. He has supported that with great stability of cast, crew, characters.

Brad did work at Y&R, and I wonder if he could "pick up" that vision...his father's vision...for how Y&R should differ from B&B. I wonder if he could actually do some interesting and novel things, while not losing sight of the core of what Y&R should be. Brad is the one who could -- if he has an 'ear' for what is uniquely Y&R -- bring in the legacy team members and keep them under control.

I'm not sure he'd be right. I'm very angry at him for the state of B&B. But he just might bring something interesting to the table. I'd give it a shot, if I was Sony and I was ready to replace MAB. (Yes, Brad could do B&B and Y&R at the same time, just like his daddy).

Sony stayed out of the writer side of things for years. Remember Sara Bible's interview with In The Zone radio? She said the only time Sony was get involved was when it came to budgeting, but otherwise, they weren't very involved.

Since the Bell's and CBS signed off on it, Sony had to follow suit.

I can only guess that it was because she was a primetime writer once upon a time and it would be "such an honour" to have someone like that cross from primetime to daytime. They wanted to primetime-ise a daytime show. Which is such an imbecilic idea, so laughable, senseless and insane, there are no words, really.

Too true.

I don't know. You seem to be trolling him. (And me?). What did he say?

I don't know. I didn't sign up to be his mouthpiece.

The devil you know is better than the one you don't.

We all accept (well, most of us) that Y&R and soaps will be extinct in a few years. So, we have nothing left to lose by meeting the devils we don't know.

We all accept (well, most of us) that Y&R and soaps will be extinct in a few years. So, we have nothing left to lose by meeting the devils we don't know.

EXACTLY! Which is why, if there were a viable replacement, I wouldn't make it someone from 40 years ago.

Fresh blood!

I don't know. I didn't sign up to be his mouthpiece.

Nice sophistry! Not accurate, but appreciate the gamesmanship!

We all accept (well, most of us) that Y&R and soaps will be extinct in a few years. So, we have nothing left to lose by meeting the devils we don't know.

Imagine if Y&R became the new AMC. Ya know: the lining up of dreadful writers, all in a row. That would be fun! At least something would be going on! This swamp is depressing and frustrating!

Edited February 1, 201015 yr by Sylph

Imagine if Y&R became the new AMC. Ya know: the linging up of dreadful writers, all in a row. That would be fun! At least something would be going on! This swamp is depressing and frustrating!

Well, to be fair, Y&R has been worse with every new regime change since Alden...

But yeah, at least something would happen and we would see that someone at least cares about the creative state of this show enough to do something about it when it's horrible.

Imagine if Y&R became the new AMC. Ya know: the lining up of dreadful writers, all in a row. That would be fun! At least something would be going on! This swamp is depressing and frustrating!

Fun for watchers...but tragedy for those who still find something of value in Genoa City. The AMC example is exactly what I hope Y&R can avoid.

I'd rather see the show sail out in this shape, that to suddenly have Jamie Luner as a recast Drucilla, and to have even more absurd plot twists.

Stability--even if the baseline is fairly low--is undervalued. Especially in soaps, which are continuing comfort food and habit.

Well, to be fair, Y&R has been worse with every new regime change since Alden...

But yeah, at least something would happen and we would see that someone at least cares about the creative state of this show enough to do something about it when it's horrible.

So, actually, AMC is the new Y&R!

Now Y&R needs to regain the title but lowering the criteria in picking head writers even more!

I really hate Micahel Muhney, not just his crappy over the top cartoon acting, but his public persona.

As some of you know, We Love Soaps is doing a countdown of their favourite soap actress, where Granny Cooper, I mean Jeanne Cooper, came it at #7. They have quotes from many talking about these actresses and here's what Muhney had to say about Jeanne.

http://www.welovesoaps.net/2010/02/50-greatest-soap-actresses-7-jeanne.html#more

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Like we needed to know the last part and as if it served any relevance to this. Yeah, he might have been trying to be funny, but the way this guy tries to sell himself and his awful stories really grates my nerves.

He could be trying to get a Emmy vote for the cast memebers.

Fun for watchers...but tragedy for those who still find something of value in Genoa City. The AMC example is exactly what I hope Y&R can avoid.

Too late, it's been going on ever since Smith replaced Alden.

I'd rather see the show sail out in this shape, that to suddenly have Jamie Luner as a recast Drucilla, and to have even more absurd plot twists.

But these same ABSURD plots are the TRADEMARK of the people currently writing and running Y&R, and they always get worse.

Sylvia Browne making a return visit, is quite frankly, more upsetting than Jamie Luner being a recast for a character that's been gone for nearly a decade.