They want us to see Sharon as doing this for everyone's best interest.

Sharon was more unpleasant earlier this year, but they stopped that by having Mary Jane be the heavy. Now Sharon and Phyllis are victims, at least for now.

Victor/Nikki - I just love seeing these two together in civil mode. It's so strangely comforting.

Heather/Nikki: I wish they had more than a surface relationship. Heather, being Paul's daughter, there should be something between these two, that's not just professional.

I'm gonna say it -STACY HAIDUK is better than Kimberlin Brown. Sorry KB, you were my first, but now I've moved on to a new psycho. If MAB's intention was to create a new villain of Sheila proportions, mission accomplished.

I still wish Jana and Kevin never got married. It just makes Kevin and Jana too stable. And oh no - more chipmunk!? Chipmunk talk should go the way of reliquary talk.

ETA: I so missed Kitty in a cat-carrier!!!! OMG!

I agree with each of these. I'm not sure if Haiduk is better than Brown...but she's definitely in the same league. What both excel at (when well written...Sheila's later stints don't really count) is showing us the pain. I hope that Patty isn't Sheila, though. Sheila became unredeemable.

Jana needs to die. There must be a Love Story (I mean, she already has the tumor!). Kevin-Jana should be backburnered till February, at which time Love Story can begin, and Jana can go out in a hail of tears for May sweeps. There. Fixed it!

Wow! We must have been almost watching at the same time! We're cosmic cousins!

I felt the same. 'Cept I'm from P3's generation and you're from Rafe's!

Maybe you'll finally get your baby-switch story, which would piss me and some others off, because it makes no sense since the timelines clearly don't add up, regardless of this dumb retcon (another one!) they're forcing on us. I'm tired of the constant victimization of women on this show. This is very off-putting and f-ucked up storytelling, especially when women are the target audience for these shows.

Also, I'm afraid it would further write Adam and Patty Jane into a corner that would be hard to remove them from. And as you know, soaps don't waste time and attention of complicated and longterm redemption arcs anymore. I no longer care for either of these core characters. They're being ruined IMO, and they had so much potential to go in hundreds of other directions story-wise.

I'm very worried about the ability to keep Adam and Patty. I am holding out hope, though, that it can be done. I keep remembering Michael Baldwin in Cricket's closet, and Victor's dungeon. Yes, those were different times....

I don't actually want the baby switch, because it will p!ss all of you off...and Y&R can't afford to alienate more viewers. But yes...when I play out in my mind all the YEARS of beats from a well done baby switch...I would love that. I think it relates to what Cashton says above. Part of what made Sheila so memorable was the vile, vile act of stealing Lauren's baby...but then making sure it was so loved.

Daniel and Kevin are being victimized, and Sharon is sort of victimizing Nick and Jack...

-Both Sharon and Phyllis have gone nuts over Nick this year, and that's likely to continue.

-Patty Jane is mentally unstable over a man that treated her like crap almost 30 years ago.

-Here's a spoiler which further drives the misogynistic tone of this show home, sorry Toups.

Deacon will soon coerce Amber into having sex with him to set Daniel free.

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-Y&R used to do well with showcasing both women and men as working professionals, we don't see that anymore.

-Ashley is being victimized by Adam and she's written as being absolutely stupid to drive this plot home.

What else can I add? The writing for women on this show sucks.

I'm very worried about the ability to keep Adam and Patty. I am holding out hope, though, that it can be done. I keep remembering Michael Baldwin in Cricket's closet, and Victor's dungeon. Yes, those were different times...

Yes, those clearly were different times, and the times we're in now don't allow for such follow through, sadly. We've seen how things get dropped these days...

Michael went to prison for four or five years and had a long process of rehabilitation. Victor is Victor, always a special case.

I can't even get into redemption because I don't think Y&R plans to redeem Adam or MJ. They exist as crazies who move the plot forward. What would happen if they were redeemed? They would lose their purpose for MAB, Hogan, Hamner.

Michael went to prison for four or five years and had a long process of rehabilitation. Victor is Victor, always a special case.

I can't even get into redemption because I don't think Y&R plans to redeem Adam or MJ. They exist as crazies who move the plot forward. What would happen if they were redeemed? They would lose their purpose for MAB, Hogan, Hamner.

An extended off-screen redemption works for me. I mean, from a purely creative perspective, it would be interesting to see them try.

An extended off-screen redemption works for me. I mean, from a purely creative perspective, it would be interesting to see them try.

For how long, especially when TWO different character have to be "redeemed" at the same time? Two front-burner crazies is one of the things currently so off-putting about this show for me right now. I don't think there's a proper balance right now to make everything work well.

Adam is just ruined. There is no way to redeem him. I think what makes him even more heinous is that we all know he was raised by a wonderful woman which makes him much more of an evil seed. Where I see MJ as crazy, I see Adam as evil. He should have been a better person not being raised by Victor, better than Nick and Victoria anyways but he is so much worse. The show seemed to forget the reason Hope moved away was because she didn't want the bad influences of living Victor's life effecting her child.

MJ has the potential to be a new Sheila. What I found interesting today is that Victor almost seems a bit afraid of her. At least she made him feel unsettled and offbalance. He can't intimidate her because she is crazy which makes her so much more out of his control. You don't see many people being able to affect Victor this way. But I don't want to see her redeemed. What good would that do? We already have talented women in her age group being completely wasted or ignored by Y&R. She is better off being crazy.

Sean Kanaan is recurring according to the credits. Half the actors being focused on this week were listed as recurring including the actors playing the characters of Nina, Philip III, Deacon's sidekick, Murphy, Noah, Olivia. I don't want Deacon integrated. We don't need him. He should be short term just like Raul.

I liked Victoria today and she should have been at the hospital. I thought her scenes with Nikki talking about Adam were fun and let's face it pretty true to life. Still sucks that MAB has ignored Lauren during another story she should have been involved in once again. I wonder what Tracey Bregman did to get on her bad side since she uses most of her other recurring actors.

I am so tired of these repetitive Jack and Sharon scenes. We have seen the same scenes played out at least a dozen times. They make Jack look weak and Sharon look insensitive for lying about the paternity.

The Kevin chipmunk stuff is dumb and the writers know the fans don't like this story and yet they keep writing it. That's a big problem with this regime. If something wasn't working, Bill Bell would drop it, but MAB and crew need to keep propping their pets and their pet stories.

Edited July 10, 200916 yr by lmfan

What's the possibility of Victor actually getting a good yelling at by those who have been affected by a crazy M.J., for bringing her to town in the first place? Will such a scene actually exist?

Edited July 10, 200916 yr by MichaelGL

What's the possibility of Victor actually getting a good yelling at by those who have been affected by a crazy M.J., for bringing her to town in the first place? Will such a scene actually exist?

I'm sure the blame will go to Jack for driving MJ crazy. He blamed Nikki for bringing David Chow to town when he was the one who did it.

What's the possibility of Victor actually getting a good yelling at by those who have been affected by a crazy M.J., for bringing her to town in the first place? Will such a scene actually exist?

For me, where it gets interesting, is if Victor looks at the situation and personally understands his share of the responsibility for what both Patty and Adam have done. Already his loved ones have been GRIEVOUSLY hurt because of them, and it is only going to get worse. Indeed, Victor looks rather like a doddering fool for not knowing what Adam's house arrest and Patty's new face have cost him.

What will never happen, but what I would pay to see, is Victor looking in the mirror and saying "My God--what have I wrought??"

"I never, I never thought he, was gay (puts hand on mouth, waits then) Gasp!"

YES YES YES!!!! AAAH it had me rolling. She carefully cupped her hand over her mouth and coughed. Too funny.

It would be great if Victor was actually brought low by MJ & Adam. I wonder if the evil wrought by MJ&A will lead to Victor & Jack teaming up? That would rub salt into the wound if Victor needed Jack's help!

The Deacon/Amber spoiler is icky. What is with the misogyny on this show?

The Deacon "coerces" Amber into sex is dangerously close to what happened on DAYS with EJ coercing Sami into sex by holding Lucas' life over her. In this case Deacon is holding Daniel's freedom. Not quite as stark but still pretty gross. Hogan knows that the EJ/Sami story got a lot of negative feedback. Why do this on Y&R?

Sharon & Ashley have the same due date? What a coincidence!!!

Edited July 10, 200916 yr by cara mia

YES YES YES!!!! AAAH it had me rolling. She carefully cupped her hand over her mouth and coughed. Too funny.

I just loved those two cackling hens gettin down with dishin the dirt. I DO have to say, Amelia looked RADIANT today, her hair was beautiful.

Too bad her hair is the only good thing about her...