I like Deacon when he was on B&B. I think he's the right add to the show.

Considering the few people today in the industry that would be qualified to be a head writer for a show like Y&R. I just don't understand why people want to see MAB FIRED. Granted, there are SL's I think are stupid right now (the art SL), the quad is not badly done, it's just OVERDONE. I don't have issues with people not liking these SL's, but what I want to know is why people aren't asking for her to make changes, as opposed to getting rid of her. Would you rather have someone who doens't know the history? Someone who might change the production style to a GL type thing? Be careful what you wish for... be VERY CAREFUL. If SL's like the art SL or the chipmuck thing went on for 2 years, then I'd even understand. But these SL's that some are so outraged about are about 2-4 months old. That length of time and you're ready to throw this woman under the bus? And I also fail to understand why some people think the writing of a show is the only thing that matters, and if it's good, ratings go up... if it's bad, ratings go down. TONS of well written shows languish at the bottom of the ratings, while others that ridiculous and stunt driven are at the top. I know a ton of people want a SL that is NEW, never been done before, not a retread. My totally serious question is: What would that be? I can't come up with anything, short of beastiality, that hasn't been done before. LML TRIED to break some new ground with Lauren's panic attack SL, but everyone HATED it. It must be a thankless job for these women to get boxed in the knockers every time they try something new. And by a whom? A bunch of faceless hacks (myself included) behind computer screens. I have seen NOTHING but complaints about Y&R from the time I've been online (since 1999) so hopefully, TPTB will realize that theyr'e never gonna please everyone, so (Like Rick Nelson wrote) youv'e got to please yourself.

WORD!

I wonder if Chloe will end up with Deacon or P4. I think I'd rather see her with Deacon.

I think since Billy going to be Bi8lly the bored around Mac. We going to need a bad boy.

Meh, Maria Arena Bell has had the same big problems from the start of her writing tenure during the strike and they only appear to be intensifying now.

Again, my list, which I could add more to if I thought about it more...

But she still can't tell these stories, which used to be essential to the show:

-Can't write corporate storylines.

-Can't write for the minority characters (OK, the Winters).

-Can't write strong female characters.

-Can't properly develop and write for new characters.

-Is a big fan of disgusting plot points that turn many off and are seen as offensive.

-Has potentially caused core characters (Adam, Patty Jane) to be irredeemable and has written them into a tricky corner.

-Can't write romance stories.

-The 20's set is given horrible stories, like this art storyline.

-Doesn't write for almost half of the canvas, yet always writes for favourite characters repeatedly.

If they were going to take ANY character from B&B, they should have taken Felicia.

EXACTLY!

I think since Billy going to be Bi8lly the bored around Mac. We going to need a bad boy.

Bad Boys are fine.

An extraneous character from another show with no connection to anyone other than another extraneous character from another show is horrible.

EXACTLY!

But that would require writing for a strong female character, and since Felecia isn't a psycho or there's no man for her to go nuts over and chase after, there's no room for her on the canvas. They, however, have room for yet another slutty male character that can play a one-not villain.

This writing team is jacked up...

Bad Boys are fine.

An extraneous character from another show with no connection to anyone other than another extraneous character from another show is horrible.

Exactly.

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But that would requite writing for a strong female character

What are these Strong Female Characters you speak of?

They, however, have room for yet another slutty male character that can play a one-not villain.

Who newbie viewers can insist on shoehorning onto the show at the expense of any & all Y&R legacy characters.

LML TRIED to break some new ground with Lauren's panic attack SL, but everyone HATED it.

Puhlease, every social issue that LML told was told in such a plot driven way and just thrown together. It was rarely about WHAT story she decided to tell, but how poorly her team executed it.

You know, I understand why Josh Griffith was rewriting the show. Maybe he should've remained with some power as Co-HW as opposed to being EP. He understood her flaws early on and could've been a nice balance. Just look at how bad the show was when it was just her and him. It's hard to see just whose at fault in all this, lol! All three seem to have their problems.

Damn y'all. Not only did you totally spoil that deacon's coming on y&r , I read all these assumptions that the storyline will suck??

The hint of his character isn't even on the canvas and y'all are complaining already? Yeesh.

Not that you're wrong lol. Of course Deacon will be 1D and of course Felicia didn't come onto the show cause she's a smart character that's too difficult to write for.

But damn. I'd like to see sexy-ass Sean back on the tube before I deem him as much of a joke as Cane.

And MAB has gotten off to a pretty rough start but like alphanguy79 said, we're judging her off of really a year's work with Shaeffer and Hamner. Who says it's those guys that aren't the idiots? What if she's spearheading the only smart-female-character-driven storyline now? (Despite the hole where P3 comes back from the dead, which is intriguing in and of itself)

I say let's see if this wonderfully bad art story will end up as horrendously as Mendorra on OLTL or if it'll bring abould real change on Y&R as Sabrina and David Chow's sudden plot-driven deaths have, IMO.

Puhlease, every social issue that LML told was told in such a plot driven way and just thrown together.

Lauren's panic attacks about the zipper on her sweater.

Damn y'all. Not only did you totally spoil that deacon's coming on y&r , I read all these assumptions that the storyline will suck??

The art storyline already sucks and gets worse day by day, I hardly doubt one character that's very one-note will be able to save it.

The hint of his character isn't even on the canvas and y'all are complaining already? Yeesh.

Some of us would like to see more of the current cast utilized instead of add new characters whose primary history took place on another show, and we're tired of the Scobby gang being propped.

But damn. I'd like to see sexy-ass Sean back on the tube before I deem him as much of a joke as Cane.

Have you seen Kanan lately? Meh.

And MAB has gotten off to a pretty rough start but like alphanguy79 said, we're judging her off of really a year's work with Shaeffer and Hamner. Who says it's those guys that aren't the idiots? What if she's spearheading the only smart-female-character-driven storyline now? (Despite the hole where P3 comes back from the dead, which is intriguing in and of itself)

MAB's problems started long before Sheffer joined, I listed many of them, and they've only gotten worse IMO. I think there's a reason why these problems existed before Sheffer and after Sheffer, and since MAB is the common link there, I give her blame.

And MAB constatly brags to the press on how this is HER show and HER vision, and she's the only one on that writing team with a Co-Executive Producer credit. So, in reality, she lets a lot of bad bad storylines slip though. I'm not saying Hogan and Scott don't spearhead them, but MAB and her authority over them lets it go though when she has the power to stop it.

I say let's see if this wonderfully bad art story will end up as horrendously as Mendorra on OLTL or if it'll bring abould real change on Y&R as Sabrina and David Chow's sudden plot-driven deaths have, IMO.

LOL, the Scobby gang bring about real change? Unlike Sabrina and David, who were tied to Nikki and Victor, the Scobby Gang aren't real vets and they've been fed horrendous storyline after horrendous storyline. They're all poorly defined characters and perhaps the weakest link of the entire show. This set has been ridiculously propped and they aren't getting better, IMO.

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

For me, Sabrina's death brought changes which were for the worst, and have been close to the last nails in the coffin for the Newmans (MTS staying means the last nail isn't in yet). That type of heavy, dark, depressing material where so many characters were dragged down for the sake of the plot, including one who should have been a long term fixture (Adam).

I think the only way a B&B character could change Amber's life for good would be if Rick crossed over, or if they brought back her mother Tawny. I wish they hadn't killed off her cousin Becky, she was a great actress.

I think Chris B summed this art storyline/Scobby gang/Sean Kanan news up perfectly...

What awful news! Now the worst story on the show is about to get worse. I guess I should give up on them realizing how bad this story is and wrapping it up fast. They must see the overwhelmingly negative fan response. Other things are debatable like the Adam or Mary Jane stories or Quad, but this is universally disliked. It's so plot driven and dull and the characters involved are just so dull.

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Anyone still see the buggy quoting on the board? The one where your posts aren't fully quoted, but others find they are?