However thin Adam's motivation is, it doesn't make him crazy. He is doing outlandish things but not to the effect of Sharon and potentially MJ.

I really wish people didn't lump him into the psycho pile. He's much more conniving than that.

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

Personally, I like dark plots. I like stories with a semi-gothic feel. That's why I was such a Days addict in the 90's. Minus some of the more over-the-top campy stuff, I loved the dark, moody plots. However, I also like traditional soap stories. I like every type of story as long as they're written properly. Do I think that perhaps Y&R isn't the right show for the darker types of stories that are being told right now? Maybe. That's a very real possibility. I also understand why some people are scared that the show is "going down a slippery slope of no return." Much like Days of Our Lives, the long-term effects might not be worth the short-term bells and whistles. However, I would be lying if I said that I wasn't enjoying the hell out of it.

Dark/gothic/warped/crime/shrouded-in-mystery Y&R ROCKS!!!! I'm not concerned at all with some "slippery slope of no return". If they continue to write the show this way and it's entertaining, then there shouldn't be any problem. As much as I loved Y&R when it focused on family drama, corporate intrigue, etc; there were days in which I didn't care about missing episodes. CURRENTLY, it's so riveting that I don't want to miss a day. Many of you may disagree but I think this formula works for Y&R. I think it was MarkH who said the Summerof79???? So true!!!!

The only motivation I've seen is that Victor and Jack ruined his life. I don't think that's enough for him to become a monster, I think it's more plot than characterization in this story.

I don't know. I see a little more to it than that...some of which IS rational (e.g. what Jack did to him) and some of which is not (i.e., he thinks Victor should praise him for his turn to megalomania after Victor's "death"). Mixed in is lingering resentment from his greeting by the Newmans in 2008.

Adam is the kind of person, and they exist in real life, who is easy to perceive insult. So, if you bump me on the shoulder I'll accept your apology...but someone who perceives insult might challenge you to a duel .

When we take that proclivity, coupled with GENUINE insults (more from Jack than Victor), it makes more sense.

A slightly twisted guy, driven nuts by his context. It totally works for me.

Dark/gothic/warped/crime/shrouded-in-mystery Y&R ROCKS!!!! I'm not concerned at all with some "slippery slope of no return". If they continue to write the show this way and it's entertaining, then there shouldn't be any problem. As much as I loved Y&R when it focused on family drama, corporate intrigue, etc; there were days in which I didn't care about missing episodes. CURRENTLY, it's so riveting that I don't want to miss a day. Many of you may disagree but I think this formula works for Y&R. I think it was MarkH who said the Summerof79???? So true!!!!

I wish I had a "High-five" icon.

Oh. My. God. At first, when I saw the title "Bellcurve Response", I thought that was you!!!

Jesus, I'm not THAT big of a queen!...Am I? Not all of us look and act alike. I do a different "talk with my hands" than this guy. And I don't think the Cosby's had "the trappings of a soap."

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by bellcurve

I posted this in the Y&R discussion thread, but maybe it's more suitable here. SOD's Mala Masala has been likening Y&R to PASSIONS lately, and doesn't appear to like the direction the show is going in either in a recent blog entry. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw the bizarre connection on the surface.

http://soapoperadigest.com/opinions/mala/

June 10, 2009

What is UP with Y&R lately? It's just been a special brand o' crazy, usually reserved for, say, PASSIONS (may it rest in peace). Adam in a purple veil and a ratty black wig pretending to be Sabrina? Yikes! And then take Monday's episode. I tuned in and got three scarring images. First, there was Adam cleaning up Ashley's miscarriage. Then, there was Nick and Sharon all nekkid and barely covered by a sheet (it was a LOT of bare skin for me) and then crazy Mary Jane blindfolding Jack and sexing him up — mere hours after he got busy on the couch with Phyllis. "Can I be blindfolded, too?" I whimpered to my colleagues.

And the fact that Adam's incriminating bloody towel made a reappearance yesterday certainly didn't help! Ew. Ew. Ew. There are just some props that nobody needs to see repeatedly.

I think the danger is when you start trying to get a reaction out of people instead of telling a story. Like having Ashley touched by a doctor who has sexually abused countless women. All that type of thing does is make some viewers more likely to just be turned off by the entire story.

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by CarlD2

I think the danger is when you start trying to get a reaction out of people instead of telling a story. Like having Ashley touched by a doctor who has sexually abused countless women. All that type of thing does is make some viewers more likely to just be turned off by the entire story.

Wow. THAT'S what Adam is blackmailing him with? That is sick.

Apparently he molested a number of women in his duties as an OBGYN. One of them was Adam's friend/lover, Skye, who told him about it and had an affidavit, although I guess she never filed charges.

To answer the topic question - No, Engen was wrong.

as for the discussion about Y&R - some people don't like to see the show change from being light and airy with happy, sane, moralistic people having business and simple relationship issues, but to me, Y&R is at its best when you mix in their killer production values, amzingly talented cast and throw in off-the-wall plots that are both based in history yetcompletely fresh and edgy.

One man's book of Shakespeare is another's man coffee table leveler. To each his own...

I may be totally fooled, but I accidentally stumbled on a twitter logger that goes by the name of Victor Newman. It certainly sounds like things that Eric Breaden would say, and he kind of puts a little spoiler or two out there.

I am of mixed feelings regarding Chris Engen's decision to quit. I do think it's unprofessional, but if he's a single father of a 10 yr old, it may be difficult to explain "Adam" to his son. Regardless of the suggestion that Adam will be kissing Rafe, or the evil things Adam is doing to Ashley, perhaps he decided that soap acting was going to put him (CE) in a difficult place - as a parent. Just a thought...

I may be totally fooled, but I accidentally stumbled on a twitter logger that goes by the name of Victor Newman. It certainly sounds like things that Eric Breaden would say, and he kind of puts a little spoiler or two out there.

I am of mixed feelings regarding Chris Engen's decision to quit. I do think it's unprofessional, but if he's a single father of a 10 yr old, it may be difficult to explain "Adam" to his son. Regardless of the suggestion that Adam will be kissing Rafe, or the evil things Adam is doing to Ashley, perhaps he decided that soap acting was going to put him (CE) in a difficult place - as a parent. Just a thought...

He can explain wearing a dress, making a woman fall down the stairs to hurt her fiancee, putting botox in his eyes to make him blind..but he can't explain a same-sex kiss?

He can explain wearing a dress, making a woman fall down the stairs to hurt her fiancee, putting botox in his eyes to make him blind..but he can't explain a same-sex kiss?

Exactly. Doesnt CG smoke too? How about explaining to his son about why he smokes? That more dangerous than any fictional character he would play. What if CE and his son come across two guys kissing on the street? What then??

He can explain wearing a dress, making a woman fall down the stairs to hurt her fiancee, putting botox in his eyes to make him blind..but he can't explain a same-sex kiss?

Honestly You are making it too much about this. It seems to me it was indicated he had a problem with the storyline preceeding his actual leave. There is too much room for interpretation, where is the actual PROOF that this was THE ONLY REASON this man had a problem with doing what was required of him? You're not saying that specifically but you are fixated on it, and I say that respectfully because I can only imagine how close you are to the issue

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by classicmoment

Honestly You are making it too much about this. It seems to me it was indicated he had a problem with the storyline preceeding his actual leave. There is too much room for interpretation, where is the actual PROOF that this was THE ONLY REASON this man had a problem with doing what was required of him? You're not saying that specifically but you are fixated on it, and I say that respectfully because I can only imagine how close you are to the issue

There was no proof, besides Branco's comment.

The whole story is so ugly to watch, in my opinion, and increasingly sadistic just for the sake of it. I can see where he may have wanted out for other reasons besides a same sex kiss.

Honestly You are making it too much about this. It seems to me it was indicated he had a problem with the storyline preceeding his actual leave. There is too much room for interpretation, where is the actual PROOF that this was THE ONLY REASON this man had a problem with doing what was required of him? You're not saying that specifically but you are fixated on it, and I say that respectfully because I can only imagine how close you are to the issue

It did have to do more than just the kiss but pleaseeeeee.....is CE that ...nevermind....just makes my blood boil. Ten year old kids are smarter than you think.