Clementine's bags under her eyes appear to be gone. I actually like her now. She's been a lot more fun and full of energy lately. But the writing for Mac is the problem, they aren't giving her much and all they're giving her is this unrequited love crap with Billy.

Now if Victoria falls into a coma, will she awaken recasted with a bitchy streak, wonder why the hell she married JT and proceed to begin a heated classic soap opera rivalry with Chloe or Amber or Jana? it's been a while since people have been bitch slapped.

Awesome idea.

Maybe assuming that the young audience like heavy plots and events is a a good generalization or no ? I can see the show using that to usher in the summer youth viewers that maybe picked up

Yes, but this Philip III story is based on a character who was killed off 20 years ago. Why would that appeal to teenagers or young people? Of course, in the end they may just be using Nina and Philip III as vehicles to bring in the "hot" actor playing Philip IV. After all Thom Bierdz was just signed to a 6 month contract.

You know, I know some are excited by Thom Bierdz return but has he even done much acting in the last 20 years? I know he has a compelling personal story and is an artist in real life, but I was a bit taken aback when in a recent interview he said he was not interested in acting just "being" or something like that and that is why the story would be based so much on his own personal experiences. I will wait to judge and see how it plays out.

Of course, if they write out Tracey Bregman and keep minimizing my favorites on the show I may take a break. I like certain actors and aspects of stories, but I keep wondering as I am watching some of these less then compelling stories and repetitive scenes why they find it impossible to use Tracey Bregman and now Christian Le Blanc in any story, at least a couple times a week. And no I don't want to get into a discussion about them.

I also always loved the mix of business intrigue and compelling character based drama of people I can really root for and there is none of that on this show. Nobody is pulling at my heartstrings and making me feel any real emotion. That's why the Kay story worked so well, and yet they are going away from that. Maybe we will get some of that in the Philip III return but they really have to mess with history to explain that return when Philip died in front of us and Jill, Kay and Nina.

The big exciting Jabot takeover ended before it even began, and there is no business story at all. I can't remember when that ever happened in the past. I find MJ intriguing and don't mind a well acted psycho, but there needs to be a balance. There is too much darkness for me if this is the new Y&R. Too many characters who I have lost respect for because of their recent actions.

Clementine's bags under her eyes appear to be gone. I actually like her now. She's been a lot more fun and full of energy lately. But the writing for Mac is the problem, they aren't giving her much and all they're giving her is this unrequited love crap with Billy.

Do any of these characters worry about anything other than who they will bed lately? Why they keep trying to force her with Billy when the actors have little chemistry is beyond me. EH is the only one I find compelling in this so called Billy/Mac/Chloe triangle.

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by lmfan

Bierdz signed a 1 year contract not a six month one. I agree he hasnt had much to do. It is a shame. The story is developing too slowly of course that is Y&R style.

Unfortunately, everything is either about cheap sex or "twisted darkness" on this show. It's kind of pathetic really.

I hope eventually they're going to give Rafe more of a personality of his own. Right now he's reminding of Matt on OLTL who was only there to be gay, then to be Coulson's toyboy.

With the Adam recast, Bierdz probably won't look that much older than Adam, will he?

But Adam is supposed to be younger than Nick and Victoria and Philip III's contemporaries were the Nina, Christine, Lauren crown, all in their early 40s. Not much different that the age disparity between Cane and Lily.

Unfortunately, everything is either about cheap sex or "twisted darkness" on this show. It's kind of pathetic really.

It is. I heard that was a Sheffer trait although I never watched any of his other shows. It sometimes makes me wonder who truly is in charge as headwriter.

Bierdz signed a 1 year contract not a six month one. I agree he hasnt had much to do. It is a shame. The story is developing too slowly of course that is Y&R style.

According to Nelson Branco's June 5 Suds Report TB let him know it was for six months although first reported as a year. TB said he was hoping for it to be extended. Makes me wonder if they were hedging their bets on how this story plays out.

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by lmfan

It is. I heard that was a Sheffer trait although I never watched any of his other shows. It sometimes makes me wonder who truly is in charge as headwriter.

Both Sheffer and Scott Hamner, but again, MAB lets this crap go through when she's the one in control and with the Co-EP credit.

She desperately needs better writers...

Both Sheffer and Scott Hamner, but again, MAB lets this crap go through when she's the one in control and with the Co-EP credit.

She desperately needs better writers...

I am starting to agree. I don't have a problem with her staying on since she seems to value history (of some characters) and is a Bell, but the show is too dark. The buck does stop with her though because she is the one who made it clear she was in charge.

It's interesting about Hamner though. LML praised his mystery writing talents (aka Carmen Mesta killing) and yet most of her stories were a bust and yet he still is with the show and writing story. So is she cleaning up all of LML's messes or borrowing from a number of her stories? Seems the show is mostly a rewrite of all Bill Bell stories and now some LML stories. We can probably find close parallels to past storylines with almost all of the stories now.

Sheffer just seems to hate women. I don't say that lightly, but if he is helming a number of these mysoginistic stories I wonder why he feels this would be compelling drama when the majority of viewers are women unless he thinks women like being belittled, abused and written as tramps or walk overs.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by lmfan

Not that I miss her or anything but I wish the Colleen/JT/Victor thing was revisited. If done right, it could've become something worthwhile, considering it didn't manifest out of thin air and had many elements that were "classic Y&R." It's one of those things, like "who'll replace Neil?" that's been dropped inconsequentially and it bugs the hell outta me.

Nonetheless, Colleen's seat on the board should be revisited.

I like the pace of this Phillip storyline, actually. It's the next few months that really matter, I think. If that's not timed correctly, then it'll be a disaster.

Can we see Neil do something at Chancellor?

And I really don't miss Michael. He's been on non-stop over the last few years now. I got sick of people being arrested or going to family court or civil court or complaining about how annoying Gloria was when she ordered her latte at Crimson Lights and called him. It's time he took a break.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

Of course, if they write out Tracey Bregman and keep minimizing my favorites on the show I may take a break. I like certain actors and aspects of stories, but I keep wondering as I am watching some of these less then compelling stories and repetitive scenes why they find it impossible to use Tracey Bregman and now Christian Le Blanc in any story, at least a couple times a week. And no I don't want to get into a discussion about them.

I have to agree. The seem to be phasing out. This canvas is too overstuffed. I'm lobbying for them to go to B&B and remake that show with MTS.

I also always loved the mix of business intrigue and compelling character based drama of people I can really root for and there is none of that on this show. Nobody is pulling at my heartstrings and making me feel any real emotion. That's why the Kay story worked so well, and yet they are going away from that. Maybe we will get some of that in the Philip III return but they really have to mess with history to explain that return when Philip died in front of us and Jill, Kay and Nina.

Yes, Kay's story did tug. For me, so does Mary Jane's...largely because of the actress.

And I really don't miss Michael. He's been on non-stop over the last few years now. I got sick of people being arrested or going to family court or civil court or complaining about how annoying Gloria was when she ordered her latte at Crimson Lights and called him. It's time he took a break.

And Queen Michael's bitchy tirades about why his rabid clan of woodchucks were entitled to robbing Genoa City blind.

I am starting to agree. I don't have a problem with her staying on since she seems to value history (of some characters) and is a Bell, but the show is too dark. The buck does stop with her though because she is the one who made it clear she was in charge.

I'm fearful of MAB writing solo again. we saw how boring and directionless the show was last year when she was by herself. I'm also fearful of her leaving Sheffer and Hamner by themselves controlling all aspects of story without her.

It's interesting about Hamner though. LML praised his mystery writing talents (aka Carmen Mesta killing) and yet most of her stories were a bust and yet he still is with the show and writing story. So is she cleaning up all of LML's messes or borrowing from a number of her stories? Seems the show is mostly a rewrite of all Bill Bell stories and now some LML stories. We can probably find close parallels to past storylines with almost all of the stories now.

The show needs diverse toned storylines and a new, clear vision. I'm all for sing history, just not too much of it. At one point, these characters need to progress further. MAB and company are also a disaster when it comes to creating new, interesting characters.

I'm fully convinced Hamner is the one behind this mystery and crime overload, but Sheffer brings on their darker tone, and MAB lets it slip.

I'm fully convinced Hamner is the one behind this mystery and crime overload, but Sheffer brings on their darker tone, and MAB lets it slip.

Well MAB alone is never going to work. MAB + JG / MAB presided over the worst ratings carnage in Y&R history in Spring 2008