This thread gets so personal - not like we're discussing homophobia. And by the way - if they ever gave Vail as meaty a storyline as they gave Tammin, the comparison would be fair. But to date, they have not. The writing for her character is the problem, not the actress. She's been forced into this extremely mature role and made to be so cold and unfeeling that she can hardly have interactions with anyone in her age range.

Exactly! They gave TS plenty material and she never delivered, IMO. They never tried to give this to VB. Instead they chose to put her into a position that nobody can see her in and have her sue all of their favorite characters.

i think everyone can agree on this though - it's summer, get this woman back in a bikini!!

Yeah!

Edited May 30, 200916 yr by dmarex

Kevin as gay would be great. But I agree he only had chemistry with Colleen(AL's version).

There was nothing positive about the Engen story. Most fans liked him as Adam which means some fans now hate him for being a "homophobe" and are annoyed at having a recast (no matter how good the recast is) or some fans now hate the show for Adam's next story arc and are annoyed at having a recast. It's pretty much lose-lose although all us on SON are rooting for MM to make lemonade out of lemons. The Engen story also drowned out what should have been happy happy buzz about TB's return.

While you are right, I confess in my head I have chosen to make it a positive (Engen quits a job that was making him crazy; the show and the fans get a new take on Adam with an actor who is thrilled to be there). And, a lot of discussion was had (not all constructive, but still) about attitudes to GLBT in America and entertainment.

Plus, isn't the old saw "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?

Vail Bloom is very unfairly maligned. Would Christel Khalil or any other young girl know how to play Heather? I said on another thread that VB would make a great Lulu on GH or Belle on Days. She would be a great sweet little princess foil for Ali Sweeney's Sami. There's only one Genie Francis, but VB has the same natural prettiness and soft manner. There's a place for her on a show that knows how to use her. Too bad she's too old for Colby on AMC, because that's another natural role for her.

The only women Kevin ever had sexual chemistry against are Lily and AL's Colleen. If anyone should be coming out the closet it's Kevin.

Well, all the examples you cite are of "sweet princesses". But I see Vail more as Sharon Case/Katherine Kelly Lang. By which I mean...there is a sweetness and an intention to do good...but also a single-minded obsessiveness about the "soul mate"...and a very sexual nature. It is this package that I feel Vail could rock.

You know, I have regular debates with someone on usenet about Kevin "coming out of the closet" (especially because the closet has been so explicit in his life). The problem I have is that he has been written as resolutely straight...I never even felt subtext going the other way. I know the rumors about Rikaart, but it doesn't feel to me true to the writing to make Kevin anything but straight at this point.

But I'm afraid to even post the last paragraph because I don't want to get into any more "gay agenda" wars...

You people are incredible. And then I get depicted as nasty. See how little was needed for you, one of the (until now) most civil posters, turn into... What you've turned into.

It's not little. This has been building for months. Sorry Sylph but I only answered because I was tired of the negativity.

I don't think I've turned into anything different.

i think everyone can agree on this though - it's summer, get this woman back in a bikini!!

Amen. Another reason to make the character a model.

True. She's playing a very hated character, so there is no room for actually liking her. That's the writers fault - they're not trying to build ANYTHING there.

DA on Y&R is a THANKLESS role. Give it back to Glenn Richards. Always sanctimonious, going after the wrong people.

Kevin as gay would be great. But I agree he only had chemistry with Colleen(AL's version).

Wow. I'm surprised you're on board with this. We fight so hard about this issue over at Usenet. Yes, AL's Colleen just smouldered, didn't she?

It's not little. This has been building for months. Sorry Sylph but I only answered because I was tired of the negativity.

I don't think I've turned into anything different.

I don't know what to say. For someone to post such unbelievable lies and for you to jump on the train right in a nanosecond is just... Wow.

But nevermind. This is a thread about Y&R. People don't want to read this.

You know, I have regular debates with someone on usenet about Kevin "coming out of the closet" (especially because the closet has been so explicit in his life). The problem I have is that he has been written as resolutely straight...I never even felt subtext going the other way. I know the rumors about Rikaart, but it doesn't feel to me true to the writing to make Kevin anything but straight at this point.

But I'm afraid to even post the last paragraph because I don't want to get into any more "gay agenda" wars..

Well, people can deal with it. I'm pretty sure I don't have a gay agenda. My agenda is drama and mixing things up brings the drama. If they are going to keep Kevin straight, then I want him to do more love scenes. He really sold that elevator scene to me, he looked like he was having fun. I need more of that.

I don't know what to say. For someone to post such unbelievable lies and for you to jump on the train right in a nanosecond is just... Wow.

But nevermind. This is a thread about Y&R. People don't want to read this.

Yeah, sure. Whatever.

Edited May 30, 200916 yr by dmarex

While you are right, I confess in my head I have chosen to make it a positive (Engen quits a job that was making him crazy; the show and the fans get a new take on Adam with an actor who is thrilled to be there). And, a lot of discussion was had (not all constructive, but still) about attitudes to GLBT in America and entertainment.

Plus, isn't the old saw "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?

Well, all the examples you cite are of "sweet princesses". But I see Vail more as Sharon Case/Katherine Kelly Lang. By which I mean...there is a sweetness and an intention to do good...but also a single-minded obsessiveness about the "soul mate"...and a very sexual nature. It is this package that I feel Vail could rock.

You know, I have regular debates with someone on usenet about Kevin "coming out of the closet" (especially because the closet has been so explicit in his life). The problem I have is that he has been written as resolutely straight...I never even felt subtext going the other way. I know the rumors about Rikaart, but it doesn't feel to me true to the writing to make Kevin anything but straight at this point.

But I'm afraid to even post the last paragraph because I don't want to get into any more "gay agenda" wars...

With that, the world breathes a collective sigh of relief.

Amen. Another reason to make the character a model.

VB would be one of the few credible models Y&R has ever had. The idea that Lily or Colleen could ever be fashion models is a complete joke, imo.

Edited May 30, 200916 yr by Juliajms

The idea that Like or Colleen could ever be fashion models is a complete joke, imo.

They have the brains for it.

Edited May 30, 200916 yr by dmarex

Yeah, sure. Whatever.

Yes. Unbelievable.

Wow. I'm surprised you're on board with this. We fight so hard about this issue over at Usenet. Yes, AL's Colleen just smouldered, didn't she?

I always liked Adrianne Leon in the role. I was upset when she was fired. She and Kevin had great chemistry. Such a wasted opportunity only to have him paired with awful Jana.

If anyone should be coming out the closet it's Kevin.

ITA. I have always thought that Kevin was gay or bisexual. I could see Kevin becoming attracted to Rafe and hooking up with him.

I always liked Adrianne Leon in the role. I was upset when she was fired. She and Kevin had great chemistry. Such a wasted opportunity only to have him paired with awful Jana.

ICAM. For a time it looked like they were going there. I was so disappointed when AL was fired.