Ah, right. Sorry for the confusion.

Nah, I should have used his quote to respond to, I was just being lazy.

That's too much work for a story. Too much work for a person to make himself/herself believe in it.

Best stories are those organic, simple ones where you Wow! at how uncomplicated yet terrific they are. E.g. people were trying to get off the Island on Lost for several seasons then comes your brilliant twist: We have to go back! That's a story. Not I have to force myself to believe they have to go back.

And yes, I've just quoted Lost as an example.

I agree, and your example works for me too.

I don't like this angle of him kissing Rafe while he's not ok with it just to get this plot done. It's a bit over the top plot wise and not ina good way. Definitly shock value IMO

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by classicmoment

Sorry, cara mia, but this is total bullsh!t! Awfully, crappy, hastily written story. Adam never ever showed any signs of homosexuality and further more always looked like a person who is totally disgusted by it and would puke if someone suggested that scheme to him.

Unique twist? Serisouly, Mark...

But you don't know how much I love it. I love the idea that someone would go totally balls to the wall and do whatever it takes to get revenge. And while kissing another girl is about last on my list of things I want to do, it does come before putting a

syringe full of botox in my eye. Just sayin'.

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by Juliajms

Agreed. But he could hide his cringing. I mean, actors do it all the time. So if Adam is an 'actor'...sufficiently focused on getting his goals that he'll now do anything...then he could kiss Rafe, but not show his revulsion. That wouldn't make him bi. The actor would have to very carefully play the revulsion with his eyes and body and when other characters aren't looking.

Yup and that would really be fun, but maybe better suited to primetime. On daytime it may be too offensive. Somewhere along the way soaps started "sending us messages" (which I hate), but since that seems to be the state of things, I don't want them sending the message that Adam is disgusted by Rafe. Better to just ignore the disgust part and focus on the manipulation part ,imo.

stories about gay people on US soaps do not work.

While, right now, gay stories/characters don't work, I think the assertion that they will never work in US soaps is crap, with all due respect. If a little, backwards, antiquated country like Greece can have multi-dimensional, well-rounded gay characters on its shows--one of them was also the lead of his own show!!!--then surely the US can too?

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by YRBB

If Adam seduces Rafe, it is the end of Adam, period. The character will never be able to survive it. Yes, yes, it could be a wonderful story, yada, yada... The fact is that most of Y&R's audience is in the south and older viewers still hold negative attitudes towards homosexuality. I strongly suspect that Chris Engen knew this instantly. It is only matter of time before Adam is killed off. It will eventually be a "who killed Adam" mystery, maybe November sweeps. It was the same thing when Sheffer had Marshall Travers rape Jessica on ATWT. A black male character on a soap cannot survive being a rapist. There are too many societal stereotypes still in place which it make it impossible.

While, right now, gay stories/characters don't work, I think the assertion that they will never work in US soaps is crap, with all due respect. If a little, backwards, antiquated country like Greece can have multi-dimensional, well-rounded gay characters on its shows--one of them was also the lead of his own show!!!--then surely the US can too?

I think the question is why hasn't it worked so far? Nuke has worked to a degree, but they need to have more gay characters on to really make it interesting. But will people accept a soap that has 4 well established gay characters? The more practical thing to do would be to have some bi characters too so that they can move in other parts of the show as well. I have no idea if the general audience will accept any of that because soaps have built a certain kind of audience over the years. If this current crop of shows ends and there is a rebirth of soaps down the line without the legacy audience it's way more likely to work.

While, right now, gay stories/characters don't work, I think the assertion that they will never work in US soaps is crap, with all due respect. If a little, backwards, antiquated country like Greece can have multi-dimensional, well-rounded gay characters on its shows--one of them was also the lead of his own show!!!--then surely the US can too?

This is interesting to me. Can you tell us more about the Greek example?

While, right now, gay stories/characters don't work, I think the assertion that they will never work in US soaps is crap, with all due respect. If a little, backwards, antiquated country like Greece can have multi-dimensional, well-rounded gay characters on its shows--one of them was also the lead of his own show!!!--then surely the US can too?

They can, they could, but they never did. Ever since the 70s, when Harding Lemay tried to introduce the first male gay character.

Why? I have no idea. Many factors, probably.

If Adam seduces Rafe, it is the end of Adam, period. The character will never be able to survive it. Yes, yes, it could be a wonderful story, yada, yada... The fact is that most of Y&R's audience is in the south and older viewers still hold negative attitudes towards homosexuality. I strongly suspect that Chris Engen knew this instantly. It is only matter of time before Adam is killed off. It will eventually be a "who killed Adam" mystery, maybe November sweeps. It was the same thing when Sheffer had Marshall Travers rape Jessica on ATWT. A black male character on a soap cannot survive being a rapist. There are too many societal stereotypes still in place which it make it impossible.

Interesting.

So how would you try to break down those negative attitudes?

Yes, yes, it could be a wonderful story, yada, yada...

It wouldn't.

But you are right about everything else.

Most of the gay characters in Greek TV -or all of them- provide their shows with comedy and laughter. Some times it is done in a respectful way, sometimes it is tacky.

While, right now, gay stories/characters don't work, I think the assertion that they will never work in US soaps is crap, with all due respect. If a little, backwards, antiquated country like Greece can have multi-dimensional, well-rounded gay characters on its shows--one of them was also the lead of his own show!!!--then surely the US can too?

The direction of Adam's storyline sounds insane to me. Billy Abbott might be flirty with a guy in order to do what he wants, but Adam never looked very comfortable with his sexuality to do that. Y&R is getting very crazy... Most of the new stories sound like fan fiction to me, and yet Y&R is the only soap I enjoy watching these days (apart from a liiiittle B&B ) But for how long? This is so OLTL, Summer 2008 all over again...

Y&R is the only soap I enjoy watching these days (apart from a liiiittle B&B ) But for how long? This is so OLTL, Summer 2008 all over again...

Why isn't TMTE on that list?!?!

Why isn't TMTE on that list?!?!

You too? Everybody has been asking me that question for months! Do you know that my friends won't even pick up their phones when that show is on??? I will start watching when Elena Akrita announces that this won't be a three-year show like Vera. One thing I love about US soaps is that they never end, or at least they never ended. Once she starts saying that TMTE will never end, I will start watching I get too attached to soap characters, I can't see them go after a few years.

You too? Everybody has been asking me that question for months! Do you know that my friends won't even pick up their phones when that show is on???

LMAO! I bet!!! I hear it's all the rage in Greece.

I will start watching when Elena Akrita announces that this won't be a three-year show like Vera. One thing I love about US soaps is that they never end, or at least they never ended. Once she starts saying that TMTE will never end, I will start watching I get too attached to soap characters, I can't see them go after a few years.

Oh! So that's what it was about! I thought you didn't like EA because she didn't end VSD satisfactorily! It's so cute that you can't let go of your show! (And I know that cute sounds like something right out Christel Khalil's mouth. )

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by Sylph