Yeah. But she needs to sow some seeds of doubt. This time, she needs to get Nick to LISTEN. Maybe Phyllis needs to tell NOAH or something, and NOAH can tell Nick

I think Jack will step in and make sure Nick knows the child could be his first and foremost. Then add Billy to the mix and it's going to be a good reveal on all sides.

Well, I'd be inclined to think that if his SON told him how f*cked up they all are, Nick might listen.

But maybe not.

Victor, Nikki and Ashley also never listened regarding how f*cked up THEY all were. This is the Newman dynamic. It is part of why Victoria and JT fail...no visible dysfunction.

But why would Phyllis be willing to settle? Lauren nailed it weeks ago in one of her few appearances (sorry couldn't resist). She told Phyllis she needed to take Sharon out of the equation. That the problems in her marriage were between her and Nick. Therefore if Nick needs to be constantly shown that Sharon is a tramp and keeps sniffing around her, why would Phyllis still want Nick? He cheats on her and instead of making him pay, she rewards him with more and more sex. Phyllis is pitiful at this point and the only way she can save herself is to dump Nick. It seems to be more about beating Sharon than having anything substantial left to her marriage, which is a joke at this point. Unless Sharon is dead, she will always be in Nick's life.

Then Nick can go crawling to Sharon and she should reject him also because of how he has been using her. Nick needs to be alone awhile. Phyllis can move on and eventually Nick and Sharon can move back to each other, but now for awhile.

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by lmfan

Nick clearly loves Sharon, and while he may love Phyllis too, it's a horrible marriage when your spouse isn't fully committed to you and loves you as much as he loves his ex as a his wife.

They've established many times that Nick loves Sharon, and that's fine and all. But he IS married to Phyllis and why does Phyllis let herself to be the doormat to her husband's love for another woman?

The misogyny is horrible.

Well IA, Nick does love Sharon as well as Phyllis, but its the context of that love that is very different, it will get more fleshed out in the next arc.

I dont know what the hell they are doing to Phyllis.

Just because Nick seems oblivious to Sharon and her faults, doent translate into unconditional love for me, more dysfunctional as the reason seems to be about guilt.

But why would Phyllis be willing to settle? Lauren nailed it weeks ago in one of her few appearances (sorry couldn't resist). She told Phyllis she needed to take Sharon out of the equation. That the problems in her marriage were between her and Nick. Therefore if Nick needs to be constantly shown that Sharon is a tramp and keeps sniffing around her, why would Phyllis still want Nick? He cheats on her and instead of making him pay, she rewards him with more and more sex. Phyllis is pitiful at this point and the only way she can save herself is to dump Nick. It seems to be more about beating Sharon than having anything substantial left to her marriage, which is a joke at this point. Unless Sharon is dead, she will always be in Nick's life.

Then Nick can go crawling to Sharon and she should reject him also because of how he has been using her. Nick needs to be alone awhile. Phyllis can move on and eventually Nick and Sharon can move back to each other, but now for awhile.

I totally agree!

I'm sure you're happy for the Likey

bed scene

in tomorrow's US episode.

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

So,after the huge cliff hanger that had everyone intrigued,we tune in on Monday and there is zilch...no reference to it at all...this is not good.

What's the point of that scene unless there is goung to be some sort of follow up?Show that scene again at the start,then say have Nina flashing back to Phillip to clue newer viewers in-something.

Instead we have people shuffling around a dance floor and having awkwardly staged conversations.Couldn't they have sprung for a few extras?

With every episode,Clem is more worrying.All her lines are delivered in a monotone.If there is something behind this,she needs to have a conversation with Katherine and talk about what's troubling her.

The scene where Billy mouthed off at Kevin did him no favours.I'm thinking how Terry Lester could have delivered those lines.Billy should be the next Jack Abbott,but the writing is letting him down.I wonder if the lack of rehearsal is affecting the younger actors.

Of course,we had to have the scene where Rubbish Style is mentioned.This issue is just as hot as all the others-huge sales etc This is the one they did the cover shoot for LAST WEEK!I'm telling ya,Vanity Fair etc needs to get down to Billings Montana and cover all the happenings there and their sales would go through the roof.

Ridiculous Style must die!!

Aunt Virginia arriving out of nowhere is another example of sloppy storytelling.It should have been foreshadowed with Devon and Roxanne at Crimson Lights and him hinting at a big surprise.But that would mean paying attention to all the stories.

Tyra hardly had a line-there is no follow up here-what is the status of her and Neil?

If all the stories were dealt with,the show would be in far better shape.

But why would Phyllis be willing to settle? Lauren nailed it weeks ago in one of her few appearances (sorry couldn't resist). She told Phyllis she needed to take Sharon out of the equation. That the problems in her marriage were between her and Nick. Therefore if Nick needs to be constantly shown that Sharon is a tramp and keeps sniffing around her, why would Phyllis still want Nick? He cheats on her and instead of making him pay, she rewards him with more and more sex. Phyllis is pitiful at this point and the only way she can save herself is to dump Nick. It seems to be more about beating Sharon than having anything substantial left to her marriage, which is a joke at this point. Unless Sharon is dead, she will always be in Nick's life.

Then Nick can go crawling to Sharon and she should reject him also because of how he has been using her. Nick needs to be alone awhile. Phyllis can move on and eventually Nick and Sharon can move back to each other, but now for awhile.

LOL, so Nick is a total jerk, and treats both women pitiful and IMO they are both acting pathetic, but Phyllis should move on, and Nick and Sharon should, After some time apart, get back together, so he can do what he did to her all over again, whic pakes in comparison to what he is doing to Phyllis......uh......ok!!!

LOL, so Nick is a total jerk, and treats both women pitiful and IMO they are both acting pathetic, but Phyllis should move on, and Nick and Sharon should, After some time apart, get back together, so he can do what he did to her all over again, whic pakes in comparison to what he is doing to Phyllis......uh......ok!!!

Hey I don't like Phyllis and Nick or Sharon and Nick, but I think the end game is Nick and Sharon, but years down the road. I think Nick should be alone and both women should wake up, gain some respect and dump him.

I just think Nick stifles Phyllis. And the actors may have physiacl chemistry, but that's it. He does not challenge her as a actress and I want to see Phyllis and Michelle Stafford matched up with someone who can match her toe to toe in the acting department. Sharon and Nick cheated on each other all through their marriage and still stay married. I just don't see Phyllis as the type to put up with Nick's cheating no matter how good he is in the sack. And at least when Sharon and Nick cheated there were some consequences. With Nick and Phyllis, he kisses Sharon and Phyllis rewards him with sex, he cheats the first time and she rewards him with sex, and the second time he not only got more sex but also sheets (subtle Phyllis). Why is her marriage worth saving if her husband has this little respect for her and their marriage? Phyllis has just taught Nick that he can cheat all he wants with little consequence.

I totally agree!

I'm sure you're happy for the Likey

bed scene

in tomorrow's US episode.

Of course, but then they will be

[backburned again]

If Philip 4th not gay

. I'm waiting for all those ex Lame fans. To turn into LiP fans. I don't even have a name for them.

Sorry if anyone's suggested it, LIPPY??

So,after the huge cliff hanger that had everyone intrigued,we tune in on Monday and there is zilch...no reference to it at all...this is not good.

What's the point of that scene unless there is goung to be some sort of follow up?Show that scene again at the start,then say have Nina flashing back to Phillip to clue newer viewers in-something.

Instead we have people shuffling around a dance floor and having awkwardly staged conversations.Couldn't they have sprung for a few extras?

With every episode,Clem is more worrying.All her lines are delivered in a monotone.If there is something behind this,she needs to have a conversation with Katherine and talk about what's troubling her.

The scene where Billy mouthed off at Kevin did him no favours.I'm thinking how Terry Lester could have delivered those lines.Billy should be the next Jack Abbott,but the writing is letting him down.I wonder if the lack of rehearsal is affecting the younger actors.

Of course,we had to have the scene where Rubbish Style is mentioned.This issue is just as hot as all the others-huge sales etc This is the one they did the cover shoot for LAST WEEK!I'm telling ya,Vanity Fair etc needs to get down to Billings Montana and cover all the happenings there and their sales would go through the roof.

Ridiculous Style must die!!

Aunt Virginia arriving out of nowhere is another example of sloppy storytelling.It should have been foreshadowed with Devon and Roxanne at Crimson Lights and him hinting at a big surprise.But that would mean paying attention to all the stories.

Tyra hardly had a line-there is no follow up here-what is the status of her and Neil?

If all the stories were dealt with,the show would be in far better shape.

They did that a couple of months ago. I complained about what a great cliffhanger Friday was only to have a bad Monday. I was bashed for it...LOL. Today's show wasn't bad but I was looking forward to seeing more of Friday's cliffhanger. I don't understand the great Friday cliffhangers and then the s h i t t y Monday shows. Had it not been for the Ashley/Adam story todays show would have sucked.

I really think that the ability to play a 35 year old story, fresh as a daisy, even now...is a remarkable thing. And while other shows could do this...they don't US daytime soaps are ANCIENT battleships. If they don't play their long-term through lines, I do not see the point. So, Y&R is the champion in that.

In the 1970s, I voraciously read the Kent Family Chronicles. To this day, even though it has become utter crap, I read every bloody thing published in the Dune series (though I wish they'd STOP writing new ones). I like long stories where the present reaches into the past. That is an undeniable part of Y&R's formula, and it is a fairly unique 'signature' for the show now.

To squander it would be to deny its identity.

For me, the injection of mystery...which LML (I suspect, really, Hamner) started has been a real plus. I admit many of the mysteries have gone south...but I like that storylines are started that make me ask questions.

Cashton, for example, gives evidence about how intrigued fans can get with a good mystery. It adds that exciting "tune in tomorrow" factor for many of us.

Personally, I'm not so interested in "romance". (I watched Jenny and Greg on AMC with the best of 'em...and I liked it back then...but it's been done). I feel romance is being done in interesting and novel ways--most notably with Phick.

I'm definitely not interested in EVER AGAIN SEEING A SOCIAL ISSUE STORYLINE ON DAYTIME. Because, especially on Y&R, they have ALWAYS SUCKED.

ALWAYS. No thank you.

I think the thing to remember, for all those who discount MAB and team, is that they ARE giving a substantial segment of the audience WHAT THEY WANT. Enough that the numbers have grown slightly but steadily over this last year.

Remember, Y&R's audience in large measure is one that DIDN'T WANT the P&G soaps; that DIDN'T WANT the ABC soaps. There is a very different style and rhythm to the Bell soaps, and I feel that MAB/team has done a nice job of capturing that, while updating it.

I think we all agree the cast is too large by a substantial margin. The cast needs to be pared down. That probably means some "loved ones" need to go...but so be it.

I agree with alot of this, but not all. A Social SL that is just PART of the story works well, the 70's were the decade for those.... in the 80's, Bill Bell started getting "preachy" with it. but in the 70's, with Kay and the drunk driving, ESPECIALLY the Bill Foster Euthanasia SL, and Jennifer Brooks with the breast cancer.... those were RIVETING but not a PSA. I'd be interested in romance if we had a GAY ONE (Could you imagine a bedroom scene between Thom Bierdz and Yani Gellman? My mouth waters at the concept!) I and everyone's brother does agree the cast is too large. I think Diamont being let go was a good move (The weakest of all the contract players) I aso think MAB missed a BIG opporotunity to get rid of Chapman, Glo should have went to JAIL. That's one thing I REALLY disagreed with her on. I think Bill would have sent her to jail. He really knew how to write a HUGE payoff. When you have a slow moving show like Y&R, the payoff needs to be EXPLOSIVE.

But why would Phyllis be willing to settle?

Well, Nik is hot, the heir to a billion dollar fortune and the father of her child. I think there are lots of people who'd be willing to settle for him.

I think we need to be prepared for torture with regards to this Cane/Phillip(?) mystery. Torture as in, long and drawn-out, and probably not getting nearly enough airtime to really make any sense or get anywhere. Instead, they'll give us more, and more, and MORE of Phyllis/Nick/Sharon (GOD I'm so sick of all 3 of them!!!!) with Nick carrying on like the perpetual pig that he is. He's just infuriating! Someone needs to rough him up a bit and I always thought Phyllis was NOT the kind of woman who'd stand for a man treating her this way. Her husband has nailed his ex twice and she still manages to kiss him and roll around with him on a desk. Pathetic!

So,after the huge cliff hanger that had everyone intrigued,we tune in on Monday and there is zilch...no reference to it at all...this is not good.

I said the same thing above. Monday is the biggest ep ratings wise, so they really should have rewarded what they started Friday. Even if, as you say, it was a simple repeat of Friday's scene.

With every episode,Clem is more worrying.All her lines are delivered in a monotone.If there is something behind this,she needs to have a conversation with Katherine and talk about what's troubling her.

Again, similar to what I said above. I agree totally. I'm starting to wonder if she was raped in Darfur and hasn't told anybody.

The scene where Billy mouthed off at Kevin did him no favours.I'm thinking how Terry Lester could have delivered those lines.Billy should be the next Jack Abbott,but the writing is letting him down.I wonder if the lack of rehearsal is affecting the younger actors.

What an intriguing idea. But then it means the vets are not doing their mentoring job with these newbies in the dressing rooms.

Tyra hardly had a line-there is no follow up here-what is the status of her and Neil?

I have NO complaints about a silent Tyra. Send her away.

I leave to take a nap, and when I return, we're still talking Phickron?! Ay de mi.... If only those three were truly worthy of this much attention!