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OK, I never knew that. Thanks!! I should check YT again and see if anything from Jacquie's short-lived stint on Loving as a madam is there. It wasn't last time I checked. Did anyone see her on that show, playing against type?

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I think that Jacqeline Courtney was only shown on one episode of Loving. The show made a huge mistake in not developing the character and making her a regular on the show.

Her appearance, alas, came at the end of a concluding storyline.

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Yes, I began watching AW again on May 4, 1994, to see JC return as Alice, but soon realized it was going to be a bust. The show had no idea what to do with her (Gary Tomlin, the writer at the time, later admitted that he didn't know much about the Alice/Rachel history and didn't know how to use Courtney effectively). Alice was soon sporting a very, very short, severe haircut which was totally wrong for her, and wearing the most hideous, mannish clothes. They paired her with an amiable but bland actor as her romantic partner, and then gave them no story. What a disaster. It's like luring Susan Lucci back to AMC, only to shave her head, dress her in polyester pantsuits, pair Erica romantically with Walter Matthau, and then keep her in the background for the next 12 months.

What a waste!

The 1989 returns of JC and GR were better written and more satisfying, although I wish they had used some meaningful flashbacks. During the 25th anniversary gala, Alice had a brief flashback to a 1984 scene with her and Rachel, but it would have been so much better if they had used something like this:

I'll bet that the show did not want to use classic scenes, because using vintage flashbacks would have made the current episodes look so weak in comparison, LOL.

Did NBC/P & G even have much classic footage (from the late 1960's/early 1970's) available to use?

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I aways felt that they purposely underwrote for JC's Alice both times she returned in order to use her for a prop to VW's Rachel, so they could say "look, we made the right choice about who to keep all those years ago!" The fact that she didn't have any scenes with ghost-Steve during the anniversary epidodes, unlike Rachel and Jamie, was very telling.

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I heard that NBC kept videotapes and film in a warehouse that was later destroyed by fire. Most of the game shows, much of the Tonight Show, and some of the primetime shows (such as Mr. Peepers) were all destroyed. What was there was probably also destroyed.

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I aways felt that they purposely underwrote for JC's Alice both times she returned in order to use her for a prop to VW's Rachel, so they could say "look, we made the right choice about who to keep all those years ago!" The fact that she didn't have any scenes with ghost-Steve during the anniversary epidodes, unlike Rachel and Jamie, was very telling.

That is a great point. JC and GR should have shared a sequence together during the Anniversary Week, without a doubt.

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I heard that NBC kept videotapes and film in a warehouse that was later destroyed by fire. Most of the game shows, much of the Tonight Show, and some of the primetime shows (such as Mr. Peepers) were all destroyed. What was there was probably also destroyed.

I wonder how much "Another World" was actually kept. I can see kinescopes of key episodes being saved, of course.

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I agree. I think they deliberately went with less charismatic, though arguably better, actresses after Courtney, so that the show could be a centerpiece for Wyndham. I think Harney, etc, were more supporting-type actresses who couldn't have carried the show the way Courtney had. Watching some early 80s eps on YT lately, I have new respect for Vana Tribbey. I like her in the role a lot, and I'm probably one of the few who liked Linda Borgeson, but again, neither of these ladies had that certain star quality that could compel you to watch.

With Wyndham firmly entrenched as the centerpiece by the late '70s, I wonder how she felt about the ascension of Laura Malone, who clearly was being groomed by Rauch and Lemay to eventually be the new leading lady. Did Wyndham have a big ego. I've heard mixed things.

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Was Lemay there for most of Blaine? I thought she was written out at one point toward the end of his run.

I often get the feeling that by the early 80s the show had no real idea where to take Rachel.

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The constant break-ups and reconciliations with Mac became tedious and eventually ran their course and did nothing to advance their characters. It just became the same old, same old plot driven crap. And like with most super couples, the writers weren't able to see them beyond two parts of a whole. They were a package deal. I don't recall them having much in the way of story by the late 80s, except for Paulina's arrival and Iris's return.

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Did NBC/P & G even have much classic footage (from the late 1960's/early 1970's) available to use?

Jacqueline Courtney once revealed in an interview that she had had copies made of many of her most memorable episodes, and a 60-minute highlight compilation of her best work was saved for Emmy consideration in 1974. She made it available for the 50th Anniversary of Soaps telecast. The show could have used material from that, for great flashbacks.

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I aways felt that they purposely underwrote for JC's Alice both times she returned in order to use her for a prop to VW's Rachel, so they could say "look, we made the right choice about who to keep all those years ago!" The fact that she didn't have any scenes with ghost-Steve during the anniversary epidodes, unlike Rachel and Jamie, was very telling.

The failure to reunite Courtney and Reinholt onscreen for the anniversary was surprisingly stupid. It's like doing a reunion of The X Files, and never having Scully and Mulder interact. :(

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I wonder how much "Another World" was actually kept. I can see kinescopes of key episodes being saved, of course.

P&G routinely erased all their soaps until the late 1970s, so almost everything from the first 13 years or so was gone. Actors like Courtney or some directors saved episodes of their best work, but the network and P&G were not bright enough to do so.

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I wonder how much "Another World" was actually kept. I can see kinescopes of key episodes being saved, of course.

NBC did not own Another World and did not archive the early black-and-white or color episodes. However, black and white kinescopes were routinely made to air in markets that did not have videotape machines or in markets that chose to air the series out of pattern. Procter and Gamble did syndicate early 70s episodes of some of its soaps, including Another World which was telecast in Australia as early as 1974.

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