He was openly evil and power-grabby. Unlike the Baldwin-Fishers who think they should be headlining the book When Bad Things Happen to Good People.

True! But I can't think of another clan as heinous as the Fisher-Baldwins. Maybe Ma Barker's?

And the cover tag on SOD would read "... And Y&R EXPLODES!!!!"

Not in Soapland but... at least in Renaissance Rome, people knew the Borgias were a corrupt, evil, horrendous lot. And Big Cheese Rodrigo Borgia was the frickin' Pope! If anybody could have covered that [!@#$%^&*] up under a thin veneer of piousness, it was him. But no. He was openly evil and power-grabby. Unlike the Baldwin-Fishers who think they should be headlining the book When Bad Things Happen to Good People.

And lest you think the Borgias would be a great template for the B-Fs, Mark... Rodrigo's children included a psychopath, Cesare, who murdered his sister Lucrezia's husband in a fit of sexual jealousy! So, if Gloria = Rodrigo, she'd be doing Kevin and Kevin & Michael would be doing each other.

And the cover tag on SOD would read "... And Y&R EXPLODES!!!!"

But again, is there no room for (toned down) Borgias (or The Grifters, or whatever) on daytime and Y&R? Let us not forget how often the Borgia tale has been successfully told.

Now, imagine if the Borgias are not unmotivated. That the evil that they do has roots, can be healed, may ultimately be redeemable. Suddenly we have a terrific soap formula.

Anyway, with Gloria expressing

sincere regrets

, Kevin back on the mend, and Michael showing remarkable strength...this is no longer daytime's Munster/Addams Family. This is the kind of relatable group -- trying to be better people -- that I'd assume most in the audience will come to root for.

I know I'll be in the cheering section

ETA: Shouldn't we be in the 4/27 thread?

Edited April 27, 200916 yr by MarkH

But how long do you think it will take for one of those four to commit a crime and have to defend themselves again? Not a lot.

But how long do you think it will take for one of those four to commit a crime and have to defend themselves again?

Pretty much.

I give 'em one week. Tops.

Jana's the next to go loopy ("temporary insanity" will undoubtedly constitute the bedrock of Michael's legal defense). I'm putting money on that.

Gloria managed to duck the tainted-cream debacle (and that still burns me, much as I love Judith Chapman). But no doubt schemes involving tiresome Jabot shares and the itch to attain wealth beyond her wildest dreams will propel her into court again. But, of course, it won't REALLY be her fault! It will be Jack's. Or Jeffrey's. Poor, innocent Gloria. Always being taken for a ride by those nefarious men! etcetera.

I don't have a problem with the B-Fs being bad. I have a problem with their never owning up to their badness. I'll put Michael and Lauren to the side of this debate for now as I do think Michael has atoned for some past sins. But he is walking a thin line.

The thing I really love about Adam is that he says what he wants.

I would enjoy this too but I think they try to spin this as a negative character flaw, I think we're supposed to be upset about how Adam behaves toward Victor and the family. I think Y&R now sees anything besides docility towards Victor as a sign of a character being a bad person, or warped. The exceptions might be Jack, or Jill, but I think that's more because of what Peter and Jess bring to the script than to the script itself.

If Estella is working with Adam then it's not a continuity error.

I don't want to see Adam go down this road, could it be that Estella is trying to set up Adam instead of them working together?

I loved the Vail and Adam scenes today; they really should play more to her strengths as a sex kitten.

I don't want Andrea Evans on Y&R as she is much too campy. Her last stint on OLTL was awful and I was actually looking forward to her return.

The one thing I can't understand about you is why is this surprising you and you keep bringing it up.

It doesn't surprise me in the least. And I didn't bring it up. In fact, I'm very rarely the one who brings it up.

The problem won't go away; we had to face it, so should you.

It's only a problem because there are three or four people who go out of their way to make it a problem.

I don't have a problem with the B-Fs being bad. I have a problem with their never owning up to their badness. I'll put Michael and Lauren to the side of this debate for now as I do think Michael has atoned for some past sins. But he is walking a thin line.

Pretty much.

I see we're still scouring for new recruits for the 'We Hate Tammin Sursok' Brigade.

:rolleyes:

I see we're still scouring for new recruits for the 'We Hate Tammin Sursok' Brigade.

I'm cool with that. It gives 'em less time to find folks for the "We Hate Gloria/Judith" brigage

It gives 'em less time to find folks for the "We Hate Gloria/Judith" brigage

Except for me, b/c I know how to multi-task.

Except for me, b/c I know how to multi-task.

:lol:

I'm cool with that. It gives 'em less time to find folks for the "We Hate Gloria/Judith" brigage