The Politics Thread

[DramatistDreamer]

^^ I remember when Republicans like Sarah Palin used to mock Obama just months into his presidency, making reference to him not 'walking on water', trying to imply that Obama thought he was a Messiah when Obama never even alluded to anything of the sort.

Now the RNC is using actual language to plant seeds referencing Trump as some sort of Saviour of the Republic. JMO but Trump has more in common with King Herod than any newborn king.

[DRW50]

 

I'm surprised that's seen as a big deal in Trumpland. 

 

Sadly it proves yet again how wary you should be when someone says they're stepping back because of their family. 

[Khan]

Is it true that Delgado is also pregnant with their love child?  Or is that just someone trying to "suds up" the story?

[DramatistDreamer]

 

One of her deleted tweets supposedly referred to him as baby daddy, so...

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Interesting take on the UN Resolution against Israeli settlement building in the NYT article. The overall narrative in the article seems to be that Bibi Netanyahu is most vexed with the aspect that the resolution will force him to choose a side, instead of vacillating between hard right domestic policies, while still preaching his belief in a resolution with the Palestinians internationally. Both his rivals as well as his coalition partners within the Israeli Parliament seem to suggest that the time has come for him to stop trying to have it both ways and decide which side he's on.

 

Israel Wonders How Long Netanyahu Can Back Settlements and Two-State Solution

 

It must be particularly galling to Netanyahu that this came at the hands of the Obama administration, whom he thought he had outmaneuvered ages ago and took great relish to suggest as much.

Edited December 26, 2016 by DramatistDreamer

[Juliajms]

^ Yep. I think this UN resolution is unfortunate in a number of ways, but Netanyahu tried to go around President Obama twice, so I can't be sorry he got his hand slapped.  I do worry about Trump and the Republicans using this as an excuse to defund the UN and who knows what it means for the future of Jews in the Democratic party.  What's done is done though and I guess we'll see how things play out.

 

I'm a little skeptical of the idea that settlements preclude a two state solution.  Israel has an Arab population of over 20%. Is there some reason the land Palestine uses for it's state has to be totally devoid of Jews? Why would the international community think it's ok to support that?

[Khan]

 

As I was preparing for bed last night, I said, "Wouldn't it be ironic if THIS were the scandal that mushrooms and ultimately derails the Trump presidency entirely before it's really begun?"

 

I realize that isn't going to happen and I shouldn't get my hopes up.  Nevertheless, it'd be just like God or karma or "the fates" or whatever to have Trump Nation implode and disintegrate over something that doesn't even involve Trump himself directly.

 

That's one reason why I've always believed that neither the Jews nor the Palestinians actually desire a two-state solution.  Each side just wants the other gone and the land all to themselves.  (To the Christians and Jews, though, the Jews have the edge, because biblical scripture designates the land as belonging to them.)  So, I can't really blame us for abstaining.

 

Chances are, Trump will side with Israel, which might cause some (but not all) Jewish Americans to defect to the Republican party.  (I say "not all," because I hope -- I HOPE -- the majority of Jewish people in the Democratic party won't forget some of the xenophobic and flat-out anti-Semitic remarks he made throughout the campaign.)  I just pray Trump will not drag us into a "holy war" with Palestine that, like Vietnam, will be costly and unwinnable.

[GregNYC]

 

Obama has deported more immigrants than any other president in history. It will be hard for Trump to top Obama in deporting illegals.

[DramatistDreamer]

 

Yet, most Republicans were still never satisfied.

 

God-willing, Trump will at most, have one term, so hopefully he won't top Obama's numbers. 

Edited December 26, 2016 by DramatistDreamer

[Khan]

 

And most Republicans will never be satisfied until the United States has evicted everyone who isn't Caucasian, heterosexual and male.

 

Personally, I think a nation of two dozen would be vulnerable to outside attacks, but whatevs.

[DramatistDreamer]

 

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[Roman]

I don't think he'll have one year before he's impeached by his own party or resigns.

[DramatistDreamer]

 

That'll work, too.

[Khan]

Frankly, I think Trump is too egotistical even to consider resigning from office.  To him, resignation is admitting failure.

 

Heck, if he were actually impeached, I wouldn't put it past him to rebuke Congress publicly and say he isn't giving up the presidency without a fight.  In which case, they'd probably have to send in the National Guard or something to escort him and his minions from the WH.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Khan

[Juliajms]

It seems clear to me that he used anti Semitic tropes to fool the rubes into voting for him. If Trump loves anyone on this planet it's Ivanka, so she and her husband were probably on board.  Meanwhile, we'll see what Jared Kushner has up his sleeve when it comes to Israel. I absolutely believe he's pulling the strings and I find it worrying. The status quo is ugly, but if Trump upsets it we could very well have a full on war in the middle east. I'm pro Palestinian (and plain old pro human) enough not to want to see anything like that happen. 

[DramatistDreamer]

I know we're all sick to death of polls but this goes to show that that letter by Comey in the last week and a half or so probably did a great deal of damage to Clinton as the Clinton campaign alleged.

 

Voters Really Did Switch To Trump At The Last Minute

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2016 by DramatistDreamer