Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 He's caving: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 Yeah, it's not good. That said, he is caving. And it's a start, and it proves pushing and fighting works, as it has before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 The whole gradually getting people to accept families being locked up like animals sounds like something Jeff Sessions would have come up with. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along (maybe one Trump wasn't fully let in on). The good thing (if there is anything good in this) is now that attention has been focused on this issue, hopefully many of the people who are angry will remain angry over the policies and the issue won't leave the spotlight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) I'm sorry, but please, no. There was never any plan. There is never any plan with Trump. There is just impulsive, vile behavior and rash mania that he reverses and enacts on whims. It's happened countless times and it will happen again and again and again until he is removed. What is happening is awful, and the 'fix' is awful, no one disputes that. But it is a cave, and it is a start at making him cave further. Suggesting otherwise is not only inaccurate, but it is defeatism and it's factually wrong. It also enables Trump and his people - imbuing them with incredible powers of omniscience and foresight which they simply have never had. And I'm not saying this about you but about other people I see this suggestion from online - I think for some folks it is a kind of strange coping mechanism. They'd rather believe the man has a master plan and is unbeatable, because the reality - that he is a lunatic with no impulse control - is too much to bear. Edited June 20, 2018 by Vee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) WTF? Edited June 20, 2018 by dragonflies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 It was, he said something stupid while raging about the baby camps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 I get what you're saying, and on many Trump matters (especially trade) I agree, but the money that can be made off of these centers and Sessions' deep ties to the big bucks made from private prisons really makes me feel like something else was going on with this choice. From reading that thread it sounds like it was Peter Fonda. I didn't really even know he was still around to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 It was him, yes. He was very angry but went too far. Most likely, Trump's latest EO - which I think is illegal - gets struck down, and he then plays 'don't blame me' to his base by blaming the courts. It's his typical move when he loses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 Yes. Also, I think the courts will stop him from keeping people locked up long term. At least I hope so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) It's about time, Florida but I'll truly be impressed when Rubio gets tossed out for someone with a heart, conscience and a spine. There should be a picture of Nielsen in the dictionary by the definition of oblivious. Who goes to a Mexican restaurant after trying to 'sell' the notion of forced separation of families only to send children from Central American countries to internment camps? If she had gone to a Mexican-American owned restaurant, surely they would've spit in her food. Edited June 20, 2018 by DramatistDreamer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 That was a stunt. Just like when Mike Pence went to a football game so everyone could see him walk out because of kneeling players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 He's an A-List actor though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 Bingo. We need to stop believing these people care or can be shamed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted June 20, 2018 Members Share Posted June 20, 2018 Care, probably not. Can be shamed or at least embarrassed, yes. I personally absolutely believe Nielsen was that clueless. People like her are everyday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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