From Soap Opera Digest Online:

Ty Treadway returns to ONE LIFE TO LIVE as Colin MacIver (who died by the way) to host a game show called "SO YOU THINK YOU CAN BE SHANE MORASCO'S FATHER".

"The dream sequence, which airs Oct 1-2, focuses on Rex and his not-so-good life as he is on the operating table being treated for a gun wound. The sequences were filmed on ABC's WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE set."

Ugh.....why do I have the deep feeling, this isn't going to be good at all. What is RC's problem, where the hell is the social storylines that made OLTL. Where are the real storys, that have emotion and depth..not this campfest OLTL has turned into. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE camp (Passions super-fan here) but camp has a time and a place on OLTL, and ITS HAD ITS TIME AND PLACE for the past 3 months.

Get back to the real storylines RC.

P.S: I want Ty back for "real reals, not for play play" (Im sure no one gets this reference lol).

Edited August 27, 200817 yr by Ms. Chandler Quartermaine

So... Carlivati coats his drama with humor and that makes us wrong about him? Bring on the comedy and camp. Carlivati is still awesome. Hope I'm not "annoying" anyone by enjoying my show.

Is that you, All My Shadows? Nooo, no, no... I won't get into another discussion with you no matter what. If I wanted total disrespect and total, intentional misinterpretation of what has been said, then I would. I don't want that kind of radioactive toxicity around me. I had one "discussion" with you and I don't need another one. You don't like my post — I don't like your attitude. There. Settled.

Wow. Way to do everything but answer the question at hand.

And thanks. I've never been referred to as "radioactive toxicity" before.

OLTL is still entertaining. Relax and enjoy the show for what it is (a daytime drama).

OLTL was never perfect and never will be - no matter who writes it. Anyone remember Al and CJ buried underground?

There are always stories/characters which entertain and grate. Enjoy the ride - that's why it's still on the air.

If you don't like it - don't watch it and don't comment. Spouting trash and wishing the current writer will fail - just to proven right is wrong. Eight soaps left...what's the prize for being right??

Billoltl

I never did understand why viewers have these agendas against certain soaps and their writers.

Explain to me, please, exactly what you mean by this because I don't get it. No writer is invincible and is able to write great stories all the time (even the best had their duds), and I strongly don't believe that anyone here had some kind of thought that Carlivati could *never* make mistakes in his work.

You are right — Bill Bell made mistakes, Agnes Nixon made even bigger mistakes. I never said people believed Carlivati could do no wrong, although... Looking back... Some might have thought so. Even to this day, this mindset that Ron is just better than anyone else right now, that he's a godsend, a true saviour pervades this board and everything surrounding OLTL threads. Every time someone mentioned in that weekly or ratings thread that Ron sucks, a whole phalanx would come out and start shooting at the person who said it. It was just a no-no to say Ron Carlivati is a mediocre writer. At best. Just take a good look at this thread and what happened weirdly enough just after I and not someone else said he sucks. It's just unbelievable.

Then people, probably to make themselves feel better for liking trash, start making all sorts of excuses how "Oh, it's the haters again", "No one said Ron was unmistakeable", blah, blah. That sort of cr*p a sane person cannot fight against. (Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)

Everyone feels that if I say Ron sucks, it's a personal attack. Which most certainly it never is.

Were people wrong to praise him when they enjoyed his work? No! They liked it, so they said that they liked it. Just because he's putting out [!@#$%^&*] now doesn't mean it's time to dissect the past to find everything that was wrong with it.

WHY is there such a black and white mentality when it comes to writers and their work?! Can't a good writer also write stupid stories? Can't a bad writer get it right at least once?

Yeah, they liked the work and they didn't allow other to express negative views about it. And pretty much half of those who "liked" it, faked it. For whatever reasons... I don't mind the fact that people like it — although I have a hard time understanding the sheer amound of praise he receives — I mind the fact that others aren't allowed to say he sucks. Because once you say it, the people from the caves will start shooting at you with the impossible amount of bullets.

A good writer — in my opinion — cannot write stupid stories. That's just contradictiory; by definition, a good writer doesn't write bad stories. But the problem with Ron is not that; the problem is he was never good, he was mediocre at best. Look at the takeover, that story everyone was waiting for — it was sloppily written, terribly acted and appaullingly directed.

And yes, a bad writer can get it once. At least.

So... Carlivati coats his drama with humor and that makes us wrong about him? Bring on the comedy and camp. Carlivati is still awesome. Hope I'm not "annoying" anyone by enjoying my show.

I never did understand why viewers have these agendas against certain soaps and their writers.

I have no idea why you get involved when you always get embarrassed and burnt after you leave a discussion. You're a really good guy, Lee, but this is just... Out of your sphere of "interests".

Stating your opinion, acknowledging it as your opinion, and moving on is different from what several people like to do here. Instead, they feel that they are some sort of higher-ups who pity the poor people who could possibly find enjoyment in watching something that they personally didn't enjoy. Saying "Well, I'm not getting the love for Carlivati at all, I think the show is horrible, I no longer watch it, it's [!@#$%^&*]" is different from saying "How do you people watch this? It's trash, and you all know it, and it's pathetic that you're singing this man's praises."

And pretty much half of those who "liked" it, faked it. For whatever reasons...

Stuff like this is what I'm talking about. You can't just say that you don't like Carlivati's work and that you don't think he's a good writer. You have to try to stir up [!@#$%^&*] with people for no reason at all. Who cares if they're faking it? Is their faking it threatening you're dislike of Carlivati's work? Why does it bother you so much?

Edited August 30, 200817 yr by All My Shadows

Stating your opinion, acknowledging it as your opinion, and moving on is different from what several people like to do here. Instead, they feel that they are some sort of higher-ups who pity the poor people who could possibly find enjoyment in watching something that they personally didn't enjoy. Saying "Well, I'm not getting the love for Carlivati at all, I think the show is horrible, I no longer watch it, it's [!@#$%^&*]" is different from saying "How do you people watch this? It's trash, and you all know it, and it's pathetic that you're singing this man's praises."

See, you're putting words in my mouth. Again. I never said that, and certainly I would never use that phrasing.

And why should I care how they feel? This is a message board, nothing is personal here. I never said "You're a moron because you like Ron Carlivati's work." The fact that people feel threatened and offended is not my problem when none of it was my intention. People obviously have a hard time gettig what I say; maybe it's because they read one of my post and conclude all sorts of things, maybe it's because of other things...

Stuff like this is what I'm talking about. You can't just say that you don't like Carlivati's work and that you don't think he's a good writer. You have to try to stir up [!@#$%^&*] with people for no reason at all. Who cares if they're faking it? Is their faking it threatening you're dislike of Carlivati's work? Why does it bother you so much?

When did I stir things up? It was you who started it all with asking me for an explanation; and all your friends popped up and sang praises of you and your post. And started stirring things up. I just stated my opinion, you came and attacked me.

You are right — Bill Bell made mistakes, Agnes Nixon made even bigger mistakes. I never said people believed Carlivati could do no wrong, although... Looking back... Some might have thought so. Even to this day, this mindset that Ron is just better than anyone else right now, that he's a godsend, a true saviour pervades this board and everything surrounding OLTL threads. Every time someone mentioned in that weekly or ratings thread that Ron sucks, a whole phalanx would come out and start shooting at the person who said it. It was just a no-no to say Ron Carlivati is a mediocre writer. At best. Just take a good look at this thread and what happened weirdly enough just after I and not someone else said he sucks. It's just unbelievable.

Then people, probably to make themselves feel better for liking trash, start making all sorts of excuses how "Oh, it's the haters again", "No one said Ron was unmistakeable", blah, blah. That sort of cr*p a sane person cannot fight against. (Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)

Everyone feels that if I say Ron sucks, it's a personal attack. Which most certainly it never is.

Yeah, they liked the work and they didn't allow other to express negative views about it. And pretty much half of those who "liked" it, faked it. For whatever reasons... I don't mind the fact that people like it — although I have a hard time understanding the sheer amound of praise he receives — I mind the fact that others aren't allowed to say he sucks. Because once you say it, the people from the caves will start shooting at you with the impossible amount of bullets.

A good writer — in my opinion — cannot write stupid stories. That's just contradictiory; by definition, a good writer doesn't write bad stories. But the problem with Ron is not that; the problem is he was never good, he was mediocre at best. Look at the takeover, that story everyone was waiting for — it was sloppily written, terribly acted and appaullingly directed.

And yes, a bad writer can get it once. At least.

I have no idea why you get involved when you always get embarrassed and burnt after you leave a discussion. You're a really good guy, Lee, but this is just... Out of your sphere of "interests".

Um... who are you? When have I gotten embarrassed or burnt after leaving a discussion? Sylph, I am not sure where your negativity comes from but if I leave a discussion it's probably because I've lost interest. As for why I got involved, I just think it's silly for you to feed off Carlivati's failures as a writer. And what exactly is in my sphere of "interests?" There's totally no reason for personal attacks here.

Would RC have as much of a problem is he didn't have such big plans for the anniversary shows?

Explain to me, please, exactly what you mean by this because I don't get it. No writer is invincible and is able to write great stories all the time (even the best had their duds), and I strongly don't believe that anyone here had some kind of thought that Carlivati could *never* make mistakes in his work. Were people wrong to praise him when they enjoyed his work? No! They liked it, so they said that they liked it. Just because he's putting out [!@#$%^&*] now doesn't mean it's time to dissect the past to find everything that was wrong with it.

WHY is there such a black and white mentality when it comes to writers and their work?! Can't a good writer also write stupid stories? Can't a bad writer get it right at least once?

Well said AMS

It's only been campy for a month or so. People commenting in this thread act as though it's been campy for EVER and they do ridiculous stories all the time. I think it's cool to keep things light sometimes and try to be creative with the material; we've triangles galore, whodunnits, whosethedaddy, and long lost children. Mixing it up isn't as bad as being dull as dish water-- like Y&R (IMHO).

It seems like forever. And much of the camp has revolved around Tina and Andrea Evans time on Passions, known for it's camp, makes it seem like longer. And the rest of the camp has revolved around Rex and Gigi and IMO that adds to the discomfort for the long term fans. It's a departure from the norm and it makes me uneasy. I little bit of camp goes a long way.

I little bit of camp goes a long way.

RC's a good writer who tried to do too much for the anniversary episodes & so now he's rushing trying to do everything at once.

I am not enjoying in the fact that OLTL is sinking faaast in terms of quality, I'm enjoying in the fact that you were all so wrong when it comes to Carlivati! All that praise, I laugh every time I recall all those delirious floods of positive comments and all.

To each his own? What?

What's wrong with enjoying his writing when it was good and hoping that would continue? Then recognizing when his writing is bad and calling him out? I don't think we were wrong before just because we're not pleased now.

Is that you, All My Shadows? Nooo, no, no... I won't get into another discussion with you no matter what. If I wanted total disrespect and total, intentional misinterpretation of what has been said, then I would. I don't want that kind of radioactive toxicity around me. I had one "discussion" with you and I don't need another one. You don't like my post — I don't like your attitude. There. Settled.

You've asked before why you are met with such "resistance" and this post is a perfect example. I don't think you intend to come off this way, but this is perhaps one of (if not THE) most condescending posts directed at a specific poster I've ever seen. I have no idea what AMS said or did before, but she's always been respectful to me, even when we disagree. If you want to be treated with respect you have to extend that courtesy as well.

*sidesteps the rumble*

I think what's happening here is a personality shift on the part of the show. RC has been on board a year minus the strike and now he's had time to make the show look the way he wants it too. He's apparently decided that he wants the show to have a camp factor. It sounds like its going to be a fairly consistent part of the the show. People who aren't interested in that kind of soap are going to chafe and re-evaluate whether they want to watch that kind of show.