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Someone fire Goutman!!!! Someone fire Pissant......Get this two fired NOW!!


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Thanks SS. I dont watch ATWT that much anymore (and I basically grew up with it, sitting on my Mom's lap while she watcher her "Story," and listened to her mutter "Oh that bitch LISA!!!!") However, when I do turn it on, it actually looks like a soap unlike that deformed stepchild monster that GL has become, and I see Bob, Kim and Lisa...there is just nothing to hook me in for long.

[!@#$%^&*], if ATWT got a 1.7 what did that deformed creature GL get???

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LOL...start your own thread Noel. :P:lol:

Yuo, thats what he said. Almost everyone online is aware of his statements....dumb Hack Goutman!!

You're welcome Mitch GL actually went up.

And who changed the title of the thread? :lol:

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You know I love you, but these ratings have NOTHING TO DO with those two.

It is an industry in decline. There is no one you could name who could bring those ratings higher.

Look at what is happening to the best soap on TV...OLTL...under Carlivati and Valenti. Errrr....absolutely nothing. Major returns on that show. Nothing....

And GL went up?? See...this is not about what is on the screen anymore. This is about a dead industry. As Sylph said...next week will be worse...NO MATTER WHO is in control.

Just look at the across-the-board nature of this. The plug is out of the bathtub. I wish I understood why more so these last few weeks....did something recently change?

I wish for you--CREATIVELY--to see the TPTB changes you want. But it won't save the show and it won't help the ratings. If you accept that, then you'll be much more at peace with what is to come....

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I really don't think it's fair to blame Goutman (or Passanante for that matter) for AW being cancelled. He just happened to be EP there when NBC finally decided to cut it (and Vicky Wyndham has since said that NBC had been itching to get rid of it since the 80s!). If anything he improved AW somewhat during his run there.

That said Goutman has clearly changed since his AW days, and not for the better.

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Agreed. Lumina was BAD, but the Grant Harrison whodunnit was great.

Although the less said about AW's Quad from Hell (Amanda/Cameron/Josie/Gary), the better.

But it definitely wasn't CG's fault it got canceled.

Now if ATWT gets canceled on the other hand...

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Y'know, I don't like Nuke....but at least that's a story that a segment of viewers have expressed an interest in seeing.

Stories of porn, adultery and meaningless sex (which covers the other 95% of the show)....not so much. There is NOT one couple to root for on this show anymore. And before anyone blasts me.....I can't think of ONE CHARACTER to root for right now.

Better get the rainslicker out, Goutman. The chickens have come home to roost, and you've landed in bird [!@#$%^&*].

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AW was cancelled because P&G would not sell the show to NBC. So NBC cancelled AW to make room for their "own" soap called "Passions." Chris Goutman was brought on AW to save the show in its last year and it was too late even though the ratings did go up. Too bad because Passions/Sunset Beach had dismal ratings as AW left the airwaves.

Jill Farren Phelps began the slow death of AW by killing off Frankie Frame and radically changing the landscape of the show with her "friends" being casted. Shortly after her dismissal, Charlotte Savitz took over the show which was worse yet! Ms. Savitz was horrible and in my book, I strongly believed she was the worst Executive Producer in daytime's history because she went through headwriters every 3-4 months which sped up AW's death until Chris Goutman arrived.

Chris Goutman was given a lot of kudos for his work on AW's last year which fans and cast members praised his leadership which led him the top job to run ATWT. IMHO, Chris has been at ATWT since fall of 1999 and I think his time and creativity is up which the show needs new leadership right now.

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I think the show is so bad that viewers aren't tuning in for events like Tom and Margo. The stories are still uneven and make no sense. We still have the nonsense of Casey and Emily going on during the anniversary shows. So I can see viewers tuning out.

There is not one happy couple on the show either. Ever storyline is contrived for plot purposes. Nielsen families dont care about Sophie or who killed her. They dont like Paul with Meg. They dont care for whore Emily with Casey. There is nothing to bring them in to watch. Those chickens must be shitting a lot all over Goutman.

It's time for him to pack his bags and leave the damn studio. He has totally torpedoed ATWT!!

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I disagree, AW had been dying a slow death on the air for at least 20 years before it was canceled or so. AW went through EP's and HW's like every 5 minutes during those last 20 years. SOD once even called it the "Longest Show in Transition!"

It was clearly the weakest of the P&G soaps in the 80's and 90's. While both GL and ATWT were undergoing creative renaissances in the 80's and early 90's, AW was not.

And Frankie Frame's death, while brutal at the time, is given way too much credit. Unlike Maureen on GL, Frankie was not a tent-pole character or groomed matriarch of the show. She wasn't even on the show for 10 years by the time she was killed.

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Eh..it was simple..just had the ATWT drops to new low thats all..LOL. I should have cursed in the title. :lol: Seriously, when two lead actors ....Scott Bryce and Martha Bryne say they are treated like [!@#$%^&*] and fired. Well it obvious Goutman doesnt know what he is doing. Bryce said it was a long 10 months working for Goutman. That they didnt have a good working relationship.

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