I agree with what you and Mark say 100% but how long has Carlivati been at OLTL?? He was hitting new lows before the strike. Came back and the shows ratings improved. But he hasnt gotten the ratings up like people/fans of OLTL were hoping. The show hasnt even been able to pass pathetic GH in the ratings. I think the man is overrated and people were too quick to praise his work. IMO

As for AMC......oye.....the show has gotten back to where it was. It was getting good and then we get more Ryan, Annie, Adam and the bimbo, Kendall and Greenlee friends again..gag me The show is still a hot mess.

Hey you and I are singing in the same choir. I think Ron C. is overrated and overhyped. The show did drop into the tank before the strike. He's an OK writer, but he not the "soap god" that he is touted as being. It's like singing his praises has become a fashion statement. So yep, yep on that one.

I also agree on AMC and that really makes me angry. I don't watch OLTL any more (I was part of the 2.2 and then quit :lol: ) , but I was really enjoying AMC when Jesse/Angie came back. Now it's back to the same ol same ol. That makes me made. The show is a hot mess.

I was actually thinking that ATWT was gonna go down because this show makes no sense. Holden/Carly = GAG! I am really not liking Noah.............

GL will keep on loosing its viewers and its sad because its the longest running soap.

ABC going down...Not a surprise. But I really wanted AMC/OLTL to go up or stay the same. ABC has been in the 3, 4, 5 spots......UGH.......

Y&R going up. Thats a surprise. It does not deserve that bump. This show makes no sense..............

Hey you and I are singing in the same choir. I think Ron C. is overrated and overhyped. The show did drop into the tank before the strike. He's an OK writer, but he not the "soap god" that he is touted as being. It's like singing his praises has become a fashion statement. So yep, yep on that one.

Yup, "soap god" is a good phrase for it. I got some heat(from some hunky people ) that I dont watch the show so I can't comment on it. Ummm...I have SoapNet to watch it. While there are some good things. There are still bad stuff. I still dont get all the Gigi love. I think she is one of the worst characters on OLTL. The actress hasnt improved at all from her times at Days. She still delivers her lines the same way she did at Days. Just one example of what i dont like about the show.

I also agree on AMC and that really makes me angry. I don't watch OLTL any more (I was part of the 2.2 and then quit :lol: ) , but I was really enjoying AMC when Jesse/Angie came back. Now it's back to the same ol same ol. That makes me made. The show is a hot mess.

And why is Erica still in jail?? Does anyone care for this story? Do we care she in jail? They need to spring Erica out and give her a storyline. CM needs to exist AMC. The show can survive without him.

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Toups, where are you??

I was actually thinking that ATWT was gonna go down because this show makes no sense. Holden/Carly = GAG! I am really not liking Noah.............

GL will keep on loosing its viewers and its sad because its the longest running soap.

ABC going down...Not a surprise. But I really wanted AMC/OLTL to go up or stay the same. ABC has been in the 3, 4, 5 spots......UGH.......

Y&R going up. Thats a surprise. It does not deserve that bump. This show makes no sense..............

Talk about hypocrisy, you want most soaps to go down, yet you want AMC to go up? Tell, when was the last AMC made sense? What's it been, 5 years or so ago?

Fanboys and fangirls are so not helping things.

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And why is Erica still in jail?? Does anyone care for this story? Do we care she in jail? They need to spring Erica out and give her a storyline. CM needs to exist AMC. The show can survive without him.

Even though people may not understand the SL people enjoy how Susan can shine with this SL. Erica is given her OWN SL. This is what many people have wanted.

Also if you have not read

Erica will be getting out of jail.

Talk about hypocrisy, you want most soaps to go down, yet you want AMC to go up? Tell, when was the last AMC made sense? What's it been, 5 years or so ago?

Fanboys and fangirls are so not helping things.

I understand where you are coming from. I know that AMC is not the best but as my home soap I want it to do well in the ratings.

The last time AMC actually was good and made sense was the last two weeks of May. During the Angie/Jesse wedding. Thats the AMC I fell in love with.

Include a final montage beforehand (set to this song) which features all the characters, both veterans and newbies, reconciling, forging new friendships and alliances, and generally moving forward with their lives, and you have a deal.

That sounds like what a soap used to be like. Accent on moving forward. We only get to see that when a soap bites the dust.

I was actually thinking that ATWT was gonna go down because this show makes no sense. Holden/Carly = GAG! I am really not liking Noah.............

I think the only thing that prevented it was the Hughes/Stewart scenes. I could be wrong. I am waiting for Toupsy to post the ratings to find out which days did better. I dont like Noah either.

I understand where you are coming from. I know that AMC is not the best but as my home soap I want it to do well in the ratings.

We all want that.

Yup, "soap god" is a good phrase for it.

I refer to him as the Great Jesus of Daytime. A lowly human left to toil in squalor for decades until finally he ascended to his rightful place on the golden throne.

Our Ron is an awesome Ron...

Nope! Too much hype...IMO....Way too much. AMC, ATWT or Days could pass it next week in the ratings.

Yes, sure, perhaps, and I could begin a career as a white gay gospel singer.

But I won't. And they won't. Because they blow.

Yes, sure, perhaps, and I could begin a career as a white gay gospel singer.

But I won't. And they won't. Because they blow.

Yup, all the soaps blow now including OLTL. It's just OLTL blows less than ATWT and Co. I still stand by previous quotes. The man got way to much hype way to early. The show is better...good...great...excellent.....but it sure isnt reflecting in the ratings. And thats a fact!

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Yup, all the soaps blow now including OLTL. It's just OLTL blows less than ATWT and Co. I still stand by previous quotes. The man got way to much hype way to early. The show is better...good...great...excellent.....but it sure isnt reflecting in the ratings. And thats a fact!

Well the ratings are not always a true indication of the quality (or lack thereof) of a show. Just look at GH.....the highest rated soap on ABC, yet it is arguably the worst of the three ABC soaps.

Well the ratings are not always a true indication of the quality (or lack thereof) of a show. Just look at GH.....the highest rated soap on ABC, yet it is arguably the worst of the three ABC soaps.

I am not even talking about true indications or whatever.....I am saying the ratings arent up after all the hype...I didnt say the ratings werent flawed......Not one soap on right now has WOW ratings or even mediocre ratings...all of them suck. GH's 2.1 is easily beatable. So them sitting at 3rd is no biggie.

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The soaps are at the point where it doesn't matter what characters are featured or if the writing is good or bad or average.The audience is simply not there any more. The women in the desired demos aren't home and if they are, they are not watching soap operas. The mid-30 and over are probably watching any number of shows that include the Food Network and HGTV programming. The younger women are playing video games, chatting on their cell phones, surfing the web or studying.