I think the whole episode was Jessica slowly fading away and Tess reemerging. I'd say when she let her hair down it was over for Jessica.

It would have made sense if she passed out last night and woke up Tess. As it stands, it looked like Jess called her forth. Which in a way is even soapier, if that's what happened. I have faith that it will be made clear at some point.

But wouldn't we have seen that if Jess called her forward? I mean last time Nikki was out Vikki called her forward to help Jess/Tess.

Jack! Are you sure you don't suffer from DID?

I was responding to this post and had a power outage and my cable modem was damaged, and I had to suspend everything to go get another one just to respond to this. What a day! You love Natalie? But per your post on the previous page you wouldn't mind if

Tess kills her

? LOL!

I do love her. I honestly do. She really is what hooked me on OLTL and i thinks hes fab... but this storyline has turned me against her.

i really dont want her die. well except right after i watched oltl and my hate is full on and ic ant think back to when i liked her, lol.

Maybe im Jack and Jake... who knows? lol.

I don't think this is fair.

I can understand why some people don't approve of Natalie choosing Jared over her family. It's a reasonable pov, whether I agree or not, and I understand the reasoning, without sharing the viewpoint. But I do not understand why Natalie's love for Jared is reduced (by many people) to lust. I think it's been a carefully crafted love story and I genuinely don't understand that people don't see that this is a couple that is deeply in love. That they choose one another out of love and make sacrifices for each other out of love. In one breath we're talking about Nash being the love of Jessica's life, when that relationship had rather seedy and disgusting beginnings, but in the next somebody will minimize Jared and Natalie's love to a desperate need to get laid. (Not just you Jack, just using this quote as an example).

I have several issues with those who disagree with Natalie's choosing Jared.

1) Natalie made her choice back in Texas when she finally admitted to Jared that she loved him. It wasn't an easy decision for her. We saw her struggle with her feelings. Try to deny them. When she made her choice, she knew then that her family would disapprove and consider it a betrayal, and that was even before the unforseen consequences of Nash dying and losing BE. But the choice was made, and Natalie doesn't backtrack.

2) After Nash was killed and BE lost, what were Natalie's choices? IMO they were very limited. If she walked away from Jared and/or allowed him to be prosecuted without interfering, she might have antagonized her family less, but for the most part the damage was done, and they weren't going to embrace her or forgive her anyway. So she'd be right where she is now, but also without the man she loves by her side. That decision is a no brainer for me.

3) Finally, all I've seen from her family is the release of previously camouflaged feelings that they carefully kept bottled up inside. Jess didn't pull that trailer trash remark out of thin air. Her emotions were raw and she merely stopped editing her words. Clint's disgust and resentment were always there. On some level I think Natalie has always known that one day she'd make a mistake that would give everyone in her family the excuse to ostracize her, and that day has come. To her credit (IMO) she said today that she "hasn't taken anything." She feels that she deserves every bit of it. I think it was interesting that Nora suggested it was a good thing that Jessica had the opportunity to say all she did to Natalie, rather than keeping it all bottled up inside. Natalie is in a no win proposition. If she scuttles off with her tail between her legs and simply avoids her family and makes no effort to make amends, she looks like she doesn't care. If she forces herself upon the family that has made it abundantly clear they want nothing to do with her, she appears selfish and self serving.

Because I personally do not find them as love. I just dont buy it. Its like with T&B, at this point thay say they love eachother - they say it, everyone says it, i dont see it.

I am told they are in love but i dont buy the love between them. not saying they are not, i just was never sold on them.

i disagree with that last remark. she wouldnt come off as selfish. not at all. selfish is picking the cock over her family. that is selfish.

i liked how jess has turned into tess.

i think its been happening since nash died. since she lashed out at natalie. its been a slow subtle build. then when she was standing there i think she was Tessica. Really, jess.. but as she looked in the mirror she seen Tess starting to come out - and IMHO she didnt fight it. She let it happen.

now go kill that bitch Nastalie!

I don't think this is fair.

I think we all need to calm down and reserve judgment until we can see the cock in question.

LMAO!

And this spew moment has been brought to you by David Evan Smith! You made coffee come up my nose. Thank you very much!

I agree. UNPOPULAR OPINION TIME!

I didn't like Tess's re-emergence. I like the idea of Tess returning, don't get me wrong. But today confused the hell out of me, especially when she was talking to Viki on the phone in the beginning. I was looking for the exact moment it happened, and what the final trigger was after all of this trauma. And I really felt like it was lacking because of it.

Sorry. Had to say it.

I understand that but disagree with it.

as i posted above i think tess has been coming out slow and subtle since he died. and today was just the day she took over (and jess didnt fight it)

i liked how jess has turned into tess.

i think its been happening since nash died. since she lashed out at natalie. its been a slow subtle build. then when she was standing there i think she was Tessica. Really, jess.. but as she looked in the mirror she seen Tess starting to come out - and IMHO she didnt fight it. She let it happen.

now go kill that bitch Nastalie!

I totally agree Jack. And for me, that means Jess deliberately unleashed Tess, so I call her out as responsible for whatever comes next.

I thought Jared's remark to Natalie "I know how I would feel if someone took you from me." was highly anvilicious. I knocked on wood, but I don't think Carlivati heard me.

I have more questions for you. But I have to run now.

I LOVE Bo and Lindsay. What a great couple. I wish she would tell him the truth though since he has a zero tolerance policy on lying

But wouldn't we have seen that if Jess called her forward? I mean last time Nikki was out Vikki called her forward to help Jess/Tess.

I wasn't watching when Vikki had DID. I've only been a OLTL fan for a couple of years now, so my understanding of how it works is really limited. I guess it seemed to me Jess was calling Tess forward when she was standing at the mirror, but maybe it was just that she wasn't trying to stop it, like Jack Peyton said.

So was it Tess from the very first scene today? Or did she slowly emerge today? I'm really confused about how DID works. Does Tess know everything that's happened? I thought one personality doesn't know what happens to the other.

I beleive it was Jessica in hte first scene and it was Jess who talked to Viki. She made the transition after when she looked in the mirror, at least thats how I saw it. And Tess probably does know everything. She is really just an extension of Jessica; the part that cant deal with the pain. Jessica wouldnt necesarily know what happens when Tess takes over as her mind blocks it out

I totally agree Jack. And for me, that means Jess deliberately unleashed Tess, so I call her out as responsible for whatever comes next.

I agree. However did she have melicious intent in doing so? thats the diff between her letting tess takeover and crimes that people like todd and jarred do.

im not saying she isnt responsable for whatever Tess does... but its diff than say she stood there channeling tess trying to bring her out to harm people. She just couldnt fight it anymore.

I agree. However did she have melicious intent in doing so? thats the diff between her letting tess takeover and crimes that people like todd and jarred do.

im not saying she isnt responsable for whatever Tess does... but its diff than say she stood there channeling tess trying to bring her out to harm people. She just couldnt fight it anymore.

1) I don't see how Jared's intentions were malicious (unless like me you think he saved Jessica from Alison just to hurt me. Never forget it's all about me )

2) You make a good point about Jessica's intentions, and I hadn't thought about it. Tess was the alter that rose to the surface whenever there was pain that Jessica couldn't deal with. Jessica's in pain so I can see that she might knowingly allow Tess to take over that pain for her. I was thinking that in her rage and anger she was allowing

Tess to come forward to handle the revenge stuff,

because Jessica always needs somebody else to do her dirty work.

If she wasn't seeking revenge against Natalie, she'd be seeking Natalie's help in getting to whoever it was she wanted to take down, ala Alison Perkins.

Jessica can't get her hands dirty. But you really made me consider the alternative. I hope it will be more clear down the road what her intentions are.

On another note: Do you hate Jared? I am sorry, because I am sure you've discussed this before, but I honestly don't recall. I guess I am just questioning why you're not feeling the Jared/Natalie love. What makes it such a stretch for you to buy the love story? Do you not think they have chemistry? Where did the love story fall apart for you?

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Great episode! First of all, Bree Williamson half naked! I think Tess came out when she let her hair down and stripped. Ron's Friday cliffhanger was back!

I'm so loving Talia's involvement with this Tina storyline. If I didn't already know ( ), I would've been like, "Meet who????!!! Who's 'He'???" And man, Kevin Spirtas plays a badass so well. Jonas rocks!

I LOVE Bo and Lindsay. What a great couple. I wish she would tell him the truth though since he has a zero tolerance policy on lying

Those were great scenes. They had a lot of good dialogue. I am now loving this storyline now, ever since the letter was introduced. And now they're getting married?? It's perfect!! Lindsay's going to exposed at her wedding!! I can't wait to see that.

I waited two months before I said this because I wanted to see if my instinct was right......... Ron Carlivait's writing feels a lot like Jim Reilly's stories/writing in the 90's and it's a major reason why I am loving OLTL so much.

Great episode! First of all, Bree Williamson half naked! I think Tess came out when she let her hair down and stripped. Ron's Friday cliffhanger was back!

I'm so loving Talia's involvement with this Tina storyline. If I didn't already know ( ), I would've been like, "Meet who????!!! Who's 'He'???" And man, Kevin Spirtas plays a badass so well. Jonas rocks!

Those were great scenes. They had a lot of good dialogue. I am now loving this storyline now, ever since the letter was introduced. And now they're getting married?? It's perfect!! Lindsay's going to exposed at her wedding!! I can't wait to see that.

I waited two months before I said this because I wanted to see if my instinct was right......... Ron Carlivait's writing feels a lot like Jim Reilly's stories/writing in the 90's and it's a major reason why I am loving OLTL so much.

Ron Carlivati = Jim Reilly with a heart and soul and an ounce of Claire Labine occasionally

On another note: Do you hate Jared? I am sorry, because I am sure you've discussed this before, but I honestly don't recall. I guess I am just questioning why you're not feeling the Jared/Natalie love. What makes it such a stretch for you to buy the love story? Do you not think they have chemistry? Where did the love story fall apart for you?

I'm going answer this because I was thinking about it earlier . I like Natalie and I have mixed feeling on Jared, but I'm not really buying the love either. I can't even put my finger on exactly where it feel apart for me. It kind of felt like they were into each other, then Nat thought he was her uncle, then she found out the truth, but it never felt like the relationship solidified during all this. I find it so hard to believe that she cared about this guy so much she would be ok with him conning her whole family. They just didn't spend enough time together for me to believe that. I think this upcoming story with Tess may actually solidify the couple. Unless I miss my guess she's going to give them lots to overcome together.

I waited two months before I said this because I wanted to see if my instinct was right......... Ron Carlivait's writing feels a lot like Jim Reilly's stories/writing in the 90's and it's a major reason why I am loving OLTL so much.

Are people spinning heads and vomiting?