So Todd has seen Tina but Tina has't seen Todd?

Right, he saw her when she first got to town but wasn't sure if it was her. I'm still not sure why he hasn't said anything to anyone about it or tried to find her. The only explanation I can think of is that he thinks she knows about Marty and doesn't want to get caught and he thinks if she just leaves that he won't caught.

Natalie should keep David Vickers II. He's showing her more love then Clint ever did.

The nerve of Clint today to call JESSICA's words to Natalie hateful. You COW! You've been screaming [!@#$%^&*] at her for the last month!

Natalie should keep David Vickers II. He's showing her more love then Clint ever did.

No. He's showing her more love than Clint is currently, but with good reason.

Ehh, Natalie deserved it.

And, as much a si ahte on nat right now, i do love her - always have. shes what got me hooked on OLTL.

Jack! Are you sure you don't suffer from DID?

I was responding to this post and had a power outage and my cable modem was damaged, and I had to suspend everything to go get another one just to respond to this. What a day! You love Natalie? But per your post on the previous page you wouldn't mind if

Tess kills her

? LOL!

She chose cock over her family, to be honest

I don't think this is fair.

I can understand why some people don't approve of Natalie choosing Jared over her family. It's a reasonable pov, whether I agree or not, and I understand the reasoning, without sharing the viewpoint. But I do not understand why Natalie's love for Jared is reduced (by many people) to lust. I think it's been a carefully crafted love story and I genuinely don't understand that people don't see that this is a couple that is deeply in love. That they choose one another out of love and make sacrifices for each other out of love. In one breath we're talking about Nash being the love of Jessica's life, when that relationship had rather seedy and disgusting beginnings, but in the next somebody will minimize Jared and Natalie's love to a desperate need to get laid. (Not just you Jack, just using this quote as an example).

I have several issues with those who disagree with Natalie's choosing Jared.

1) Natalie made her choice back in Texas when she finally admitted to Jared that she loved him. It wasn't an easy decision for her. We saw her struggle with her feelings. Try to deny them. When she made her choice, she knew then that her family would disapprove and consider it a betrayal, and that was even before the unforseen consequences of Nash dying and losing BE. But the choice was made, and Natalie doesn't backtrack.

2) After Nash was killed and BE lost, what were Natalie's choices? IMO they were very limited. If she walked away from Jared and/or allowed him to be prosecuted without interfering, she might have antagonized her family less, but for the most part the damage was done, and they weren't going to embrace her or forgive her anyway. So she'd be right where she is now, but also without the man she loves by her side. That decision is a no brainer for me.

3) Finally, all I've seen from her family is the release of previously camouflaged feelings that they carefully kept bottled up inside. Jess didn't pull that trailer trash remark out of thin air. Her emotions were raw and she merely stopped editing her words. Clint's disgust and resentment were always there. On some level I think Natalie has always known that one day she'd make a mistake that would give everyone in her family the excuse to ostracize her, and that day has come. To her credit (IMO) she said today that she "hasn't taken anything." She feels that she deserves every bit of it. I think it was interesting that Nora suggested it was a good thing that Jessica had the opportunity to say all she did to Natalie, rather than keeping it all bottled up inside. Natalie is in a no win proposition. If she scuttles off with her tail between her legs and simply avoids her family and makes no effort to make amends, she looks like she doesn't care. If she forces herself upon the family that has made it abundantly clear they want nothing to do with her, she appears selfish and self serving.

Edited June 27, 200817 yr by rhinohide

Thank you! She's my least favorite (to put it politely). I always groan a little when her name comes up in the credits.

Her scabbing ass, getting like one episode a month for punishment!! I for one am happy. My only hope is that she is fired and her episodes are running out!

I don't think this is fair.

I think we all need to calm down and reserve judgment until we can see the cock in question.

I am really intrigued by this Talia s/l. I think I have an idea as to who "he" is that Jonas is referring to but I'm not sure. I am glad they're giving her some type of backstory because I love Beth Ann and I always thought there was something kind of mysterious and alluring about Talia and I would love to see a dark side to her.

I can not believe that they waited until the last scene for us to see Tess and they only gave her like 8 words to say and then shut it off. They are such teases but it worked because there is no way I'm missing Monday's episode.

I hate to admit it but I think I've officially been converted to the Church of Carlivati.

I know at first I thought it was still Jessica when she was talking to Vicky on the phone.It wasn't until she broke the mirror that I realized that it was Tess.

I don't think this is fair.

I think we all need to calm down and reserve judgment until we can see the cock in question.

:lol: Must be some kind of cock

I don't think this is fair.

I think we all need to calm down and reserve judgment until we can see the cock in question.

David, I think you're my new favorite post-er. :lol:

I don't think this is fair.

I think we all need to calm down and reserve judgment until we can see the cock in question.

So was it Tess from the very first scene today? Or did she slowly emerge today? I'm really confused about how DID works. Does Tess know everything that's happened? I thought one personality doesn't know what happens to the other.

So was it Tess from the very first scene today? Or did she slowly emerge today? I'm really confused about how DID works. Does Tess know everything that's happened? I thought one personality doesn't know what happens to the other.

I agree. UNPOPULAR OPINION TIME!

I didn't like Tess's re-emergence. I like the idea of Tess returning, don't get me wrong. But today confused the hell out of me, especially when she was talking to Viki on the phone in the beginning. I was looking for the exact moment it happened, and what the final trigger was after all of this trauma. And I really felt like it was lacking because of it.

Sorry. Had to say it.

It would have made sense if she passed out last night and woke up Tess. As it stands, it looked like Jess called her forth. Which in a way is even soapier, if that's what happened. I have faith that it will be made clear at some point.

I don't think this is fair.

I can understand why some people don't approve of Natalie choosing Jared over her family. It's a reasonable pov, whether I agree or not, and I understand the reasoning, without sharing the viewpoint. But I do not understand why Natalie's love for Jared is reduced (by many people) to lust. I think it's been a carefully crafted love story and I genuinely don't understand that people don't see that this is a couple that is deeply in love. That they choose one another out of love and make sacrifices for each other out of love. In one breath we're talking about Nash being the love of Jessica's life, when that relationship had rather seedy and disgusting beginnings, but in the next somebody will minimize Jared and Natalie's love to a desperate need to get laid. (Not just you Jack, just using this quote as an example).

I have several issues with those who disagree with Natalie's choosing Jared.

1) Natalie made her choice back in Texas when she finally admitted to Jared that she loved him. It wasn't an easy decision for her. We saw her struggle with her feelings. Try to deny them. When she made her choice, she knew then that her family would disapprove and consider it a betrayal, and that was even before the unforseen consequences of Nash dying and losing BE. But the choice was made, and Natalie doesn't backtrack.

2) After Nash was killed and BE lost, what were Natalie's choices? IMO they were very limited. If she walked away from Jared and/or allowed him to be prosecuted without interfering, she might have antagonized her family less, but for the most part the damage was done, and they weren't going to embrace her or forgive her anyway. So she'd be right where she is now, but also without the man she loves by her side. That decision is a no brainer for me.

3) Finally, all I've seen from her family is the release of previously camouflaged feelings that they carefully kept bottled up inside. Jess didn't pull that trailer trash remark out of thin air. Her emotions were raw and she merely stopped editing her words. Clint's disgust and resentment were always there. On some level I think Natalie has always known that one day she'd make a mistake that would give everyone in her family the excuse to ostracize her, and that day has come. To her credit (IMO) she said today that she "hasn't taken anything." She feels that she deserves every bit of it. I think it was interesting that Nora suggested it was a good thing that Jessica had the opportunity to say all she did to Natalie, rather than keeping it all bottled up inside. Natalie is in a no win proposition. If she scuttles off with her tail between her legs and simply avoids her family and makes no effort to make amends, she looks like she doesn't care. If she forces herself upon the family that has made it abundantly clear they want nothing to do with her, she appears selfish and self serving.

Excellent post!