Oh really....What problem is that? That my viewpoint doesn't agree with yours and therefore its not right? Get real. This isn't a popularity contest and I could care less if you agree with me. You're the one arguing the most ridiculous case of the century besides Duke Lacrosse and the OJ Trial. Find me a jury that would convict Phyllis of being guilty of Dru's suicide and I'd pay you any amount of money in the world.

And I find you fighting with another poster.

And I find you fighting with another poster.

We're not arguing about anything new that hasn't been argued before on this board. Dru/Sharon vs Phyllis. Its an argument that others have been particpating in and I said my share and I'm done. Obviously its going to go on forever so theres really no point.

However once again I find you targeting ME. Smug one aren't you? Quite an obsession you're developing.

And I find you fighting with another poster.

LOL. Thank you, Soapsuds.

However once again I find you targeting ME. Smug one aren't you? Quite an obsession you're developing.

You're the one with major issues with everyone, not Soapsuds.

Are you serious? I'm arguing with you? and what are the other posters doing then? Just discussing I guess? Thats so unfair and it shows your obvious bias towards me. I'm sick of defending myself to judgemental people like you and soapsuds.

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by ATWTCarOn4Ever

I do agree that Phyllis fans tend to demonize Sharon or anyone else who disagrees with Phyllis. It's very hypocritical when you consider Phick got together via an affair, Phyllis brutally murdered a woman by setting her on fire, rolled her car over two others and thats not even the most of it! And she has never paid for anything, so how can you hate on Sharon or Dru who ALWAYS pay for their crimes? In fact I'd argue that they've made MORE.

Sharon thought of having an affair with Cameron and was brutally beaten near death and almost raped. Nick has an affair with Phyllis and he gets a baby. Dru is raped then gets the blame when her husband won't accept her apology for being raped by his brother. What Dru did didn't help her one bit. It saved Neil's relationship with his brother and gave him a daughter who means the world to him.

As for the big photoshoot, if you saw your best friend being attacked by a murderer who has always blackmailed you, wouldn't you try and save her? I'd do anything I could to get my friend away from the sociopath.

Like I said earlier in the thread, Phyllis and the other VILLIANS (yes thats what she is) don't work now because they aren't held accountable. They are propped and other, better people are blamed for their crimes.

My favorite Phyllis by far is Sandra Nelson, if I could get every episode with her I just may give a leg. I just watcheda hilarious episode where Danny, Christine and Phyllis were in New York fighting for Phyllis' murder victims evidence against her. Phyllis had the papers in her coat and Danny shook them off of her, slammed Phyllis on the ground and threw them to Christine who hauled ass to the elevator.

That little scene was set up for weeks within the bigger story of Daniel's custody battle. Thats how in depth the storytelling was with Bill Bell. Now it's just shameful to think of how far the show has fallen. You can't even defend Latham's writing even remotely.

Are you serious? I'm arguing with you? and what are the other posters doing then? Just discussing I guess? Thats so unfair and it shows your obvious bias towards me. I'm sick of defending myself to judgemental people like you and soapsuds.

LMAO.

First of all you're not important enough to be "biased against" or "judgmental of".

That's your swelled sense of importance talkin.

Don't be mad cause you can't disqualify longtime Y&R viewers knowledge of the show cause it doesn't support your warped view of the show & it's characters.

LMAO.

First of all you're not important enough to be "biased against" or "judgmental of".

That's your swelled sense of importance talkin.

Don't be mad cause you can't disqualify longtime Y&R viewers knowledge of the show cause it doesn't support your warped view of the show & it's characters.

See you're attacking me right there. And yet you accuse me of arguing with you. Such a double standard.

2nd I don't have a warped view of anything. And I could care less if I was as old as a relic and had been watching soaps as long as you or soapsuds.

Last but not least where did I say I wan't to convince people of anything? Where did I say I was important enough to be biased againt? No where. You're lying instead of answering the question.

Do you really think I'm the only one arguing with you....

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by ATWTCarOn4Ever

2nd I don't have a warped view of anything. And I could care less if I was as old as a relic and had been watching soaps as long as you or soapsuds.

And you are not attacking anyone? What do you call that?

Do you really think I'm the only one arguing with you....

Other posters are having a civil conversation. You are arguing. What is with all your bold posting?

I'm NOT arguing for the last time. I simply laid out my reasons as to why I don't hate Phyllis or think shes the monster some people believe she is.

I apologize for saying the "relic" comment. That was mean but I felt attacked and so I attacked back. I guess theres no way I can simply make a point without people attacking me on this board for my opinions (different as they may be).

As for you soapsuds you've hated me from the start. I'm not a bad person however and I truly do enjoy soaps (Y&R and ATWT being in my Top 5). Just because I'm younger and newer to the genre doesn't make me any less important or valueable to the discussion. However I realize thats not what you guys think so I'll stop "arguing" right now.

Its Comic Sans and its Size 3. Its NOT bold. Its only Size 3 so people can see it. I'm sorry if that offends anyone. And if bothers the majority of posters that much I'll stop using Size 3

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by ATWTCarOn4Ever

See you're attacking me right there. And yet you accuse me of arguing with you. Such a double standard.

2nd I don't have a warped view of anything. And I could care less if I was as old as a relic and had been watching soaps as long as you or soapsuds.

Last but not least where did I say I wan't to convince people of anything? Where did I say I was important enough to be biased againt? No where. You're lying instead of answering the question.

Do you really think I'm the only one arguing with you....

First of all...

No one ATTACKED you.

You chose to jump into a disccusion & were repeatedly condescending & obnoxious.

Then chose to enact a victim complex when you couldn't support your assertions while everyone else could.

And Yes you do have a warped view of the show & this isn't the only show and/or thread on this board alone that you have the same problems in either.

Also"old as a relic" isn't arguin?

Last but not least if you didn't want to convince anyone of anything why are you still continuin this "discussion".

Didn't you JUST say you were done?

So who's REALLY the "liar".

...Mhm.

The attacks keep coming. Read the above post lady. Last but not least I am done. I don't have "a warped view" of the show. Nor was I obnoxious or anything else you said up there.

Did Victoria lose the baby today? I feel very bad for her but at the same time I'm glad since shes free of Brad. I really hope Victoria can become the Victoria I first saw when Heather Tom was playing the role. I liked her version a lot. AH isn't bad persay but shes playing it so much softer. I need her to be a b*tch once in awhile but a loveable one at that.

I'm NOT arguing for the last time.

Yes you are.

I simply laid out my reasons as to why I don't hate Phyllis or think shes the monster some people believe she is.

You didn't lay out any reasons. You went on a "Why You Hate Sharon Rant".

I apologize for saying the "relic" comment.

Apology Accepted.

That was mean but I felt attacked and so I attacked back.

That's the thing, no one attacked you.

You felt attacked because you can't accept your character as is & feel that cause others are critical of her that somehow they "hate" the character when that couldn't be further from the truth.

It IS possible to be objective about a character (and/or the show as a whole) while NOT "hatin" on a character.

I guess theres no way I can simply make a point without people attacking me on this board for my opinions (different as they may be).

There is.

If you like Phyllis & dislike Sharon that's perfectly fine.

But the bottom line is that Sharon's a heroine & Phyllis is (at best) an anti-heroine.

Both characters have their strengths & weakness but one shouldn't have to be destroyed to prop the other.

As for you soapsuds you've hated me from the start.

You know the proverb about assumptions?

...Yeah.

I'm not a bad person however and I truly do enjoy soaps (Y&R and ATWT being in my Top 5). Just because I'm younger and newer to the genre doesn't make me any less important or valueable to the discussion.

No one said you were.

But there are longtime viewers who have watched the show a long time & have a greater handle on the characters & the scope of the show as a whole who shouldn't be dismissed just because they may not support your particular POV.

And you're right. That doesn't mean your opinion is invalid.

But it does mean that longtime viewers are a bit more equipped to understand the strengths & flaws of various characters (as well as the show as a whole).

However I realize thats not what you guys think so I'll stop "arguing" right now.

What we think is beside the point.

If you like the show as it currently is that's your opinion & you're welcome to it.

However, don't be angry and/or condescending with/to those who don't.

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by DeeeDee

But the bottom line is that Sharon's a heroine & Phyllis is (at best) an anti-heroine.

Thank you. Even Michelle Stafford admits when Phyllis is in the wrong. She stated she was shocked when viewers liked Phick and said that Phyllis reasons for blackmailing Brad were 100% selfish with no regard for her sister-in-law (something she and Sharon have in common).

In closing, my favorite quote from Michelle, "Phyllis is not a nice person and she's nuts."

I agree with you Michelle!