I myself don't mind new characters entering the show, but what bugs me is when the new characters become the show, that is when there is a probelm, like Roger said Gwen, Maddie, Will, Casey were not around or were not well known 2 years ago, and now they are the show, that is what is wrong, what I would like to see happen with new characters is that they are slowly inteduced for several years, so we get to know them, and in the mean time the core family's of the soaps should be getting the storyline time, after a several years if you want to give the newbie a storyline that is fine, just as long as the don't become the whole show, which from what I am reading is happening to most of the shows right now, all the storyline time goes to characters that most of the old time fans don't even know or even care about, that is what needs to change, stop trying to get new fans and try to focus on your fans that have been watching for decades, that is what would help ratings out, I am sure some of the long term fans that gave up would even come back if they heard there show was going back to the core family's and away from all the newbies to the show. I totally understand soaps need new viewers, and they think this is the way to do it, but is not working, it has not worked, so the question is why are they still trying to do it this way. Even better question why are more and more soaps doing this if it is not working.

Also like I stated in another post alot of the problem is these fanbase junkies that can't get enough of there character and have to see them everyday, and for whatever reason the people in charge of the show keep on lisening to them, lets face it most of these fanbases are about the actor not the character, Paul for example on ATWT most of his fans are RH fans which followed him from OLTL, and they don't give a rats ass about ATWT as a whole all they care about is RH's Paul, you just can't run a soap like that, it does not work. Same thing can be said about Will and Gwen fans, they don't really care about the whole show, from what I can tell they FF most of the show unless Will and Gwen are on, I just don't understand why the writers feel the need to follow what the fanbases want.

Another point about the bringing new people to the show, is that from what I read most of these new people want the same thing we want, storylines that are revolved around family and core characters, they have no need for new characters either, so all in all I just don't understand what TPTB on these soaps are thinking most of the time, they are not doing what the fans want at all, just what the fanbases want, even if it is a story the fanbases don't like, they are still doing the stories to make them happy. I really think if we had solid soaps based on what soaps were meant to be these fanbases would stop pimping there characters and watch the whole show for a change, because they would have nothing to pimp. I really think soaps started going down hill the day the interent was invented, it's the major problem, before then there might have been these fanbases but they were no where near what they are today, and back then the show's were built around all the charcters not just 4-5.

I keep hoping a new network head or show producer will come along and do things right but I don't see it on the horizon. Perhaps a cable network will produce a new soap that is cutting edge yet well-done with traditional elements that will show them all how it's done. It may be too late by then for most of the current shows.

I hope for ATWT to show up on SoapNet. Seeing the classics of ATWT is 100% better than the crap Jean Passanante and Christopher Goutman are feeding us! Jean and Christopher could learn something from watching the classics and Douglas Marland's great work!

Whoa, wait a minute. Viewers shouldn't be held accountable when a soap opera is putting out a crappy production. DAYS fans have been let down and given false hope for years now. I am not surprised that jaded DAYS fans didn't tune back in when Reilly left and it looks like they had the right intuition because the show is BORING and full of newbies.

I know. I was not holding the viewers accountable even though it sounded like it. I was just saying it made me sad because I know Days is gone in 2009.

There is no excuse for not showing the vets now. No excuse at all. Hogan does need to step it up and pronto NBC causing the ratings or no NBC causing the ratings. Whatever the case it's obvious he needs to do something.

I was thinking... I don't want Ken Corday to come out and say something... he's always lying...

I want one of the actors to come out and say it... yes, Corday might fire them... or NOT! Corday knows without BIG 4 he won't have his show... so he won't fire them. We have proof now that this is what happens when you don't feature the BIG 4! So one of them should come out and be honest with the fans!

Cause I wanna know if this is the budget, if this is just Hogan not wanting to write for vets or this is vacations (which I don't believe, but okay..)!

If Corday came out and said something, I'm not sure how much of his bull I'd believe...

Edited March 15, 200718 yr by Manny

I myself don't mind new characters entering the show, but what bugs me is when the new characters become the show, that is when there is a probelm, like Roger said Gwen, Maddie, Will, Casey were not around or were not well known 2 years ago, and now they are the show, that is what is wrong, what I would like to see happen with new characters is that they are slowly inteduced for several years, so we get to know them, and in the mean time the core family's of the soaps should be getting the storyline time, after a several years if you want to give the newbie a storyline that is fine, just as long as the don't become the whole show, which from what I am reading is happening to most of the shows right now, all the storyline time goes to characters that most of the old time fans don't even know or even care about, that is what needs to change, stop trying to get new fans and try to focus on your fans that have been watching for decades, that is what would help ratings out, I am sure some of the long term fans that gave up would even come back if they heard there show was going back to the core family's and away from all the newbies to the show. I totally understand soaps need new viewers, and they think this is the way to do it, but is not working, it has not worked, so the question is why are they still trying to do it this way. Even better question why are more and more soaps doing this if it is not working.

Also like I stated in another post alot of the problem is these fanbase junkies that can't get enough of there character and have to see them everyday, and for whatever reason the people in charge of the show keep on lisening to them, lets face it most of these fanbases are about the actor not the character, Paul for example on ATWT most of his fans are RH fans which followed him from OLTL, and they don't give a rats ass about ATWT as a whole all they care about is RH's Paul, you just can't run a soap like that, it does not work. Same thing can be said about Will and Gwen fans, they don't really care about the whole show, from what I can tell they FF most of the show unless Will and Gwen are on, I just don't understand why the writers feel the need to follow what the fanbases want.

Another point about the bringing new people to the show, is that from what I read most of these new people want the same thing we want, storylines that are revolved around family and core characters, they have no need for new characters either, so all in all I just don't understand what TPTB on these soaps are thinking most of the time, they are not doing what the fans want at all, just what the fanbases want, even if it is a story the fanbases don't like, they are still doing the stories to make them happy. I really think if we had solid soaps based on what soaps were meant to be these fanbases would stop pimping there characters and watch the whole show for a change, because they would have nothing to pimp. I really think soaps started going down hill the day the interent was invented, it's the major problem, before then there might have been these fanbases but they were no where near what they are today, and back then the show's were built around all the charcters not just 4-5.

The teens need to be supporting to the cast right now. They have been front and center too long. Let Will and Gwen be happy for a change. Let Casey be there for his folks. Get Margo and Tom a storyline and let Casey be a supporting character and not a lead. The same with Will and Barbara.

Get rid of Roger Howarth. The guy cant act! He sucks as Paul. He has never been Paul to me. I bet his salary is real high too. Recast the damn role! Bring back Andrew Kavovit. Make Paul likeable again. Stop these ridiculous, outlandish storylines with him.

Axe Jade from the show. She has not contributed one darn thing to the show! What is her purpose on the show? Iva hasnt even met her grandchild. What about Emma? Has she had any scenes with her great grandchlld? NO!

Stop bringing in newbies and actors who can't act. You know who they are and focus on the damn vets!

Edited March 15, 200718 yr by Soapsuds

I hope for ATWT to show up on SoapNet. Seeing the classics of ATWT is 100% better than the crap Jean Passanante and Christopher Goutman are feeding us! Jean and Christopher could learn something from watching the classics and Douglas Marland's great work!

P&G already has it's own classic soap channel at AOL Video but they said they can't show classic ATWT and GL for some reason. Them being on the air makes it more difficult apparently and the agreements to distribute weren't in place with the actors and those involved in the classic shows. I don't understand the details but that's why you don't see classic ATWT there.

winterguy, I agree with your points. I wouldn't even mind Gwen and Maddie so much but they just murdered (or think they did) someone and buried him and are covering it up. THESE are the types of characters that we're supposed to root for? It's a credit to the actors on this show to make all their criminal behavior as tolerable as it is. Criminals are the heroes of soaps and less and less people can relate.

I will add that it is fine to have your favorites on a soap we all do, I don't care who you are you do have favorites, but I just don't like the non-stop pimping that alot of fanbases do. It is fine for you to voice your opinion about who you like on these message boards or write in once in a while in support of who you like, but when people start starting 50 threads a day about characters and write 500 letters a week to the show about there favorite that is when it becomes extreme, and that is what most of these fanbases are, totally in love with there actor and character and that is about it. Look at CBS's letter rip for example most of it is all being done by the same people on a weekly base and it is all about there character and not about the whole show, what I would like to see is letters being sent and messages on these boards that revolve around the whole show and not some soap star or actor crush that a person has.

winterguy, I agree with your points. I wouldn't even mind Gwen and Maddie so much but they just murdered (or think they did) someone and buried him and are covering it up. THESE are the types of characters that we're supposed to root for? It's a credit to the actors on this show to make all their criminal behavior as tolerable as it is. Criminals are the heroes of soaps and less and less people can relate.

And the spoilers I have read don't sound any better. Bringing back Scott Bryce is one step in the right direction. But I think the main problem is with the writing of Jean Passanante and the vision of ATWT from Christopher Goutman. They need to be fired pronto! They are butchering the show very quickly!

I guess 2 men having sex on daytime did nothing for anyone but Reilly! He probably wrote, directed and played the camera person for that eppy...

As opposed to shocking the audience into watching, perhaps he should have just written for the characters!

I see negative numbers coming.

ANDREA

I knew that CBS would be down some due to the preemptions, and if it is normal they will rebound next week because of the 3 day week. CBS always seems to do good on the weeks it is only on 3 days.

I agree that many people in those areas possibly tuned out of the other shows to watch basketball too.

I still think ATWT deserves it's 2.3. Until Passanante wakes up things are not going to get any better. Fans are frustrated. We got a brief glimpse of the way things should have been with Tom & Margo being featured more and then it was back to the norm of having the same people dominate. People are frustrated.

And as to Days not deserving these numbers when all this first started I was in agreement but since it just keeps going on and on and more newbies keep being added and more people who should be there for scenes keep getting left out - I say they do. Sure Friday did get a little better but ever heard of too little too late. After it being since the first two weeks of January since things have even been decent, people are getting frustrated and they are tuning out. One good show on Friday and then even Monday was too late in the game. Fans have gotten frustrated and even on this board many of the long time fans are tuning out. You count the ones who are tuning out due to frustration and the ones who tuned into other shows including basketball - you get what they are getting.

What good is great quality and great dialogue it is wasted on characters that people are getting tired of being on all the time or it is wasted on stories that are slow and repititious. This is the same stuff that the ATWT fans have been screaming about for months, and that even many of the fans of Days who are defending this mess said was wrong with ATWT.

For years GH fans and critics have fussed about too much Sonny & Jason; OLTL fans & critics have fussed about too much John; ATWT fans & critics have been fussing about too much Katie or too much Paul or too much of the younger set even though they admit they can act.

Well what is the difference? So Days younger set is better than they were under Langan? There is still too much focus on them? THere is too much focus on the same characters? And why does EJ have to be involved in every damn story. He is becoming the John McBain of Days except for he can act better and looks better than Michael Easton.

After awhile the only fans that are going to tune in are the die hard loyal fans who watch out of habit many times or the fans who absolutely love those characters? Look at the people who have tuned out of OLTL because they got tired of John McBain or the fans tuning out because they are tired of Babe at AMC or the fans who have quit watching because of Katie or Paul or Gwen at ATWT?

It is time that not just Days but all the soaps wise up and quit putting the same damn people on everyday or not make every story revolve around one person. Or the ratings are just going to get worse than they are now.

YOUR post is sooooooo true! When will the soaps get it????????! You gotta give everyone a strong story// i disagree slightly with your post..People DO want to see Patch and Kayla.But in a strong story and not at the expense of john and marlena and bo and hope.Just imagine if bo hope kayla steve john and marlena would all have a strong story?! Backups lucas and sami and shawn and belle had a b story....WAKE up Ken corday wake up!

Just horrible numbers for ATWT. At the bottom of every category even with the males. They usually have a hold on #3 and now they have dropped all the way down to #6. And still they have Jean Passanante writing it and Christopher Goutman as producer. Come on CBS dump these two! If true, now I know why ATWT was only renewed for 1 year. JP and CG are doing what they did to AW now to ATWT. Hacks!!!

Edited March 15, 200718 yr by Soapsuds

so Alan Qs memorial service episode (Tuesday) earned GH's lowest ratings of the weeks... I can just hear Frons, Pratt and Guza muttering "Told you so." I'm guessing Alan's role as ghost won't last very long as a result

I have a feeling JER has a big on his face right now!

Well he shouldn't.

A ) his show is still the worst on daytime, regardless of ratings.

B ) his show also tied a new low this week.

C ) his show is still cancelled.

D ) he helped destroy two daytime soaps.

E ) he is still going to be unemployed in 5 months and will still be going down as a laughing stock.

Well he shouldn't.

A ) his show is still the worst on daytime, regardless of ratings.

B ) his show also tied a new low this week.

C ) his show is still cancelled.

D ) he helped destroy two daytime soaps.

E ) he is still going to be unemployed in 5 months and will still be going down as a laughing stock.

Hahaha...I love your post King. Man have I enjoyed your posts lately. It's like you are a new man!

Where is PhoenixRising05? Why hasnt he commented on this thread? I wan't his take on it. He always finds something positive to say about Days.