Members DruRocks Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Excellent post. ITA with that assessment of JER. His work was definitely hyped on DAYS, as some masterpiece. It was hokey stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aMLCproduction Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 oh yes Depreist belongs there as well But Please teel me more about James Lipton And you are scaring beacuse Scoot Hamner is writing at Y&R along side LML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sweetness Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I think only Corday and IIC at Days/NBC "hyped" Reilly as some great master "artist". Everyone else in daytime saw him for what he was: a hack - a gimmick "writer"...Days became a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 A lot... and I mean a lot of that stuff can be applied to Megan McTavish's AMC. McTavish pulls out plot devices more than a magican pulls rabbits out of a hat. Expolsions. DNA. Rape. Comas. Long lost sibling... MURDER MYSTERIES! I mean, she's on her second murder mystery plot device in six months -- THIRD in 3 1/2 years overall. Michael Cambias in fall 2003, Greg Madden in summer 2006, Satin Slayer winter 2006-2007 The paternity/DNA device just. Won't. Die... Miranda, Little Adam, Josh, Spike, Emma, Baby Girl Carey, Kate/Kathy... NONE of the children brought on to this show during her tenure have had a cut and dry geneology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sweetness Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Days had a similar obsession with Who's The Daddy storylines under Reilly I don't know McTavish's work very well ..but I have to ask... Have dolls come to life and chimpanzees started talking? Seen any swamp things roaming around? Have any of these characters levitated over beds while possessed by the devil? Has a couple floated away on their flying bed while making love? Reilly's Days=a huge joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bree Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Can any AMC watchers tell me who was responsible for psychic Mateo and that whole Joy Hawkins/carnival storyline where Hayley was kidnapped and tattooed? Was that MMT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrewH Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 It's hard to put Reilly on there because you can't just go by his second failure on DAYS and his entire run on PSNS. When he wrote DAYS in the 90s, he was a great success! Sure, his stories were purely plot-driven, but even then, the show was number 2 for years! Reilly made DAYS the soap that it is today, point blank. As for SSM, I agree that 97-99 were very boring DAYS. The show was like a brokedown version of Y&R, and that doesn't work, not with DAYS. I think she wanted to go back with traditional soap stories, but since Corday was on the gothic/sci-fi high that he got from Reilly, he forced her to write stories such as the brainwashing storylines. Swamp Girl was a GREAT storyline. I remember watching that storyline and I loved it. It was so good. I remember at one point thinking, has the Hope we've been watching been the wrong person? I'm glad they didn't go that route, but the intrigue and mystery was definitely there. And as for her hand in creating the Salem High gang, she only created Belle, Mimi and maybe Shawn and Philip. I don't recall when SSM was released and Langan came on, but Chloe was introduced in December, while Belle was introduced in August, Mimi in September, and Shawn in October, Philip in November. So while she was responsible for actually SORASing some of the kids, she probably had no intentions on making DAYS teen crazy. While she was writing, Belle wasn't on that much. I remember wanting to see Belle, because Kirsten Storms came on shorly after Zenon debuted on Disney and I had a crush on Kirsten Langan's name should be set in stone on that list. SSM? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamela1965 Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 ROBERT SUCK ASS GUZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I hated that decision that DePriest made but I think overall DePreist's record in daytime is enough to save her from that list. I think she works better as a co-writer esp. when she was teamed with Pat Falken Smith and Sherri Anderson, but I even liked some of her stuff alone. She was responsible for one of Antoher World's last great storylines that I thoroughly enjoyed and that was the return of Mary McKinnon as the wife of Reginald Love. Taht was an exciting time in Another World. The Love-McKinnon feud was stirred up and played out wonderfully. And Denise Alexander's acting was great. There was also the introduction of Scott LaSalle and it was hinted that he might be the brother of Marly & Victoria putting a twist in the Donna/Michael story. I have never figured out why that was dropped. It conincided with Anna Stuart's departure as Donna. It showed her have her breakdown about the babies, and we saw Donna wheeled off hugging 3 pillows to her representing the babies. But when Donna returned the 3 pillows was forgotten and never mentioned. Also DePriest is co-responsible for much of the great Luke & Laura years on GH having served as co-headwriter from 1979-1982 before she and Pat Falken Smith moved to Days of Our Lives where they rejuvanated the show with the introduction of the Brady family and getting rid of much of the dead rubble stories of the past 2 years on the show. When Smith left again it was DePriest who continued the Salem Strangler story alone and pulled Days some of it's best ratings in 2 years and made it the talk of the nation at the time when she wrote the death of Marlena Evans. It ended up not being Marlena but her twin Samantha that was the victim. Under DePriest she further cemented the shows transformation into the supercouple show. So I say all this to say that even though DePriest is not one of the best writers in daytime, she doesn't deserve to be in the list of worst either. Like many other writers she has a habit of making some bad decisions but overall I think she has a very good record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaysFanatic777 Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 OMG!! It's laughable and sad all at once. I do think "the Magic Carpet Ride" you are refering to when Mike and Carrie flew over Las Vegas occured under SSM's toxic pen, but all others can be attributed to Reilly and his sick, twisted, simple mind. The first run he was entertaining, in a mindless sort of way. It was kind of like watching a cartoon with lazy dialouge. I still can't believe what it did to the show though. I still can't accept the damage it has done. Since Days turned into a gothic sensation in the mid-ninties, soaps have fallen by the wayside. Several soaps tried to copycat the madness, and gimmicks to improve ratings. This only made the ratings lower in the end, as devoted fans stopped recognizing their shows and favorite characters. Quality was traded for a quick boost, and what goes up too quickly, comes down just as fast once the shock wears off and the reality of the damage it has done sinks in. It started with Days and spread through Daytime like cancer, and now gimmicks are still being used to draw viewers instead of character driven and emotional drama. THANKS JER!! As entertaining as you were, I would lock you in hell and throw away the key, cause I really feel, that you are to blame for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sweetness Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I stand corrected...I guess I see all of the show since 93' as "Reilly's era". Reilly's formula set the stage/created a show where that kind of scene could happen though...the writers after him/before his return were all copying his style and trying to "match" what he did (not to mention what Passions was doing). I thought it was mindless, but wasn't entertained ICAM with all of this. And the reason this "style" of writing spread so easy, is because it was so easy... there was no need to tell interwoven, meaningful...substantial and deep storylines when you could just come up with some silly plot gimmick and go to town in making it as ridiculous as can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 The worst headwriters whose work I've seen: AMC Margaret DePriest Megan McTavish, imo hands-down the worst headwriter ever, especially 1998-1999 and 2005-present Jean Passanante GL Ellen Weston Megan McTavish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members billyjill Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sweetness Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I have to get going to class but there's something I have to add to the discussion of Days under Reilly... I had a discussion about his style of writing with a friend of mine in the mid or late 90s. At the time the focus on the teens was especially strong, as well as the Reilly sensationalism. I believe Sunset Beach had just started as well. I wondered how daytime had gotten to *that* level...and I do mean sensationalistic Days drivel and a focus on dull teen storylines. My friend's theory? She blamed it all on Aaron Spelling's Beverly Hills 90210 and Melrose Place (particularly sensationalistic and over the top in plot centered-ness at the time) I know those shows had a lot of fans...but I can see why she made the connection. They were extremely popular night time soaps and the daytime soaps clamored to imitate them. And yes, they were better written than Days under Reilly....but I can certainly agree with her that there seemed to be a connection between daytime's sudden youth obsession and the popularity of Spelling's shows. Reilly took that "style", ran with it, and took it to its furthest extreme...adding his own gimmicks. The sensationalism kicked up a notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mason Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Am I the only one who actually enjoyed SSM's tenure on DAYS? It wasn't as good as JER's first run by any means, but I thought it was pretty good. Margaret DePriest, IMO, doesn't deserve to be on this list either. She did some great stuff on DAYS, and from what I've seen of her work in AW reruns, she was pretty good there too. Anyway, here's who I would put on this list. Megan McTavish Dena Higley Ellen Weston James E. Reilly (post-90s) Jean Passanante David Kreizman Robert Guza, Jr. Charles Pratt, Jr. Tom Langan Leah Laiman Henry Stern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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