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And so the whitewashing and rebranding of TWC begins... Weinstein Company in talks over possible sale: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41641419 What worries me is the momentum dying on this. Other studios, company execs, the media, district effing attorneys were all actively complicit in covering this sh*t up and keeping the omerta going. Look at the way so many actresses have been tarnished with the crazy brush whenever they raised their voices. Look at how Corey Feldman was publicly shamed by Barbara Walters on The View ("You’re damaging an entire industry!”) for talking about pedo rings in HW. Not a peep has been mentioned about prosecuting Weinstein for all these felonies, nor about launching a class action lawsuit on TWC for the cover-up. Now TWC is selling out to a private equity firm and the board of directors will likely by getting a nice payout. Yep. Nicolette's career never recovered. And we all know Victoria Rowell's career didn't either. Sadly Harvey Weinstein is the rule not the exception... Is the impetus to exact meaningful change in Hollywood is there? I hope so...

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Thanks @DramatistDreamer. I wasn't sure whether to bring it to this thread because it isn't a domestic-US incident, though it does have huge global repercussions. Shocking that the bomb was so powerful that many victims simply evaporated into thin air when it hit.

THIS. What was Nene expecting? Especially after Kandi had to defend herself of the rape/drugging allegations last year. She took it seriously and frankly so should Nene. She's like so many HWs who feel that one insincere apology absolves them of accountability. Haha well if Rinna has turned on Erika, that will certainly cement my feeling that Rinna will sell out anybody for airtime. That's entertaining up to a point, but it also erodes Rinna's credibility in anything she says and does. At least Kyle and LVP are consistent when it comes to the reasons why they stop being friends with other HWs -- or why they remain loyal to people. I don't know what the argument is about but I feel a bit bad for Erika. Pride goes before a fall, so the saying goes. She puts up a wall and doesn't really trust people; by the same token, her intolerance of 'weakness' (the way she talked about her mother last season, who raised her alone, was shockingly harsh imo) and her lack of a sense of humor, is going to be problematic when it comes to BH where flexibility and a thick skin are required attributes. Nevertheless, I do feel bad that she got burned by Rinna as I do believe Erika actually has feelings. For Rinna, this is just a job.

Tamra, Heather, Shannon were allies with a common goal last season and the season before -- which was to get Vicki off the show. But the season before all that, Heather was telling everybody that Shannon was having a 'psychotic break' and even offered to call for an ambulance to the loony bin at Lizzy's party. Once Heather left, Shannon didn't seem all that sorry that she had gone. Yes, if Heather does return, I want to see the house and the Dubrows living in it! I'm pretty sure Heather's OC job and the opportunities stemming from that (along with Botched on Terry's side) were helping to pay for that monstrosity. In fact, the rumor is that Heather asked for more $$$ to appear this season and Bravo refused. So now Botched is paying for the McMansion with the porte cochére all by its lonesome. Personally I would welcome Heather back if it meant Meghan and maybe 1-2 of the other bores are shown the door.

In hindsight Bravo firing Fancy Pants was a mistake. OC is missing something this season. As evil and nasty as Heather could be, she was also quite smart and incisive, and could be the voice of reason in some situations. Yes, her treatment of Kelly on the bus in Ireland rightfully earned her mega backlash. However, I have a hard time believing that Kelly is the new queen bee. If anything, I have found her segments (at least in the episodes I watched) mostly filler. In Bravo's eyes, Shannon is the queen bee, followed by Tamra. The producers seem to have given up on Vicki. ...which means that Heather could conceivably come back. Andy apparently hates Terry Dubrow, but this season's ratings plunge and the huge problem getting these women to film together works in Heather's favor. I could happily live without ever hearing the words "Brooks" or "cancer" on this show ever again.

@Nothin'ButAttitude @alwaysAMC There is nothing hugely surprising about Tamra's reaction to Shannon, which she has with every female alliance she forms. For me, the most interesting part was Shannon snapping orders at Tamra. Shannon truly let her first season of fame get to her head. She is acting just like Vicki, trying to manipulate and control the narrative. Tamra's power lies in the fact that she lets Shannon believe she is queen bee, and panders to it. Until she is ready to pull the rug from under her. These two will stay thick as thieves for the time being because their hatred of Vicki outweighs their annoyance at not being able to control the other. But Shannon better check out Tamra's IG. Heather is all over it, Tamra's old-new BFF, and Tamra is actively trying to get her back on the show. Shannon cut ties with her when she left, but Tamra didn't. Hmmmm.

Lol you know this is going to trigger Nene to countersue or something. Cigs knows how to push her buttons. Damn, tihis is getting messy fast. If two people start suing each other, this whole season could end up just being Chateau Date-a-felon?? Nobody wants to watch that!

@Nothin'ButAttitude the worst thing about a lawsuit is, because it is pending and takes forever to resolve, entire swathes of RHOA scenes will be left on the cutting room floor so as not to incriminate the interested parties. Gag orders will mean the cast can only talk around the issue at hand, not refer to them directly. See BH season 3. I'm so mad at Kim that she would potentially torpedo a crazy S10 if she goes ahead with this.

I love yours too. With OC, I'm waiting to see what you guys here think of the episode before deciding to watch. I'm sure with the Iceland trip I will be watching. I just meant that the Inquistr is probably going off of other internet reports but is unlikely to get somebody at Bravo on-record to comment. That doesn't mean it's not an issue at Bravo HQ, though. I'm betting Nene's apology was written with the hand help of Bravo legal counsel. The issue is building steam (and is getting reported on E! News). However, Bravo may wait before making a decision, to see if this will die down. Personally, I don't think they would fire Nene before Reunion has even filmed. They need her messy ass on Reunion, and they still have a few weeks of actual show filming left to do. The fact that Kim and Brielle are posting the video on their social media and fuelling the fire makes me think, yeah, Michael Beck gave them the go-ahead. I can't decide if Michael has game, or whether he is doing way too much. Anybody who cosies up to that failed Mattel doll experiment and her thot daughter usually ends up getting burned.

lol yeah I don't know if I mentioned it 1 or 2 thousand times? Haven't seen the Dallas episode yet but will post when I do.

I don't think it's the Washington Post or the Financial Times in terms of fact-checking and going on the record.

I'm a little disappointed that BH's vacation is Berlin. I don't know why, BH feels like a glitzy, sunshiney Monaco/Dubai/Phuket crowd and won't really gel in an avant-garde northern European capital with a grim past. I am also dreading Erika's glam squad going full Liza-Minnelli-in-Cabaret on her. And regarding OC... I haven't watched in some weeks. I feel exhausted by the #cancer/colonics/vasectomy stuff. I do appreciate that people here watch and put down their thoughts regarding the episode. I am using those posts as a guide as to whether to tune in or not. TBH, Iceland cannot come fast enough. Wow. Seeing the text of what she said written down like that makes it so much worse. Nene never learns. Why does she think being vicious or insulting audience members is what people pay to see? She has been like this for years and it makes me sad because Nene was once the heart. I thought the way she called out Porsha on behalf of Kandi in the trailer meant we were going to see a little of that Nene, but clearly she's let the hype go to her head again. Having said that, I am surprised by the news that Bravo wants to fire her when her equally disgusting comments to Claudia a few years ago were completely ignored! Not to put the blame for everything at the new EP's feet but... is Michael Beck cleaning house? Is he doing Kim's bidding so she can return full-time to RHOA without Nene or Kenya to trouble her? Kim is such a lazy-ass and filming for RHOA is arduous work in her mind. Much easier is Don't Be Tardy where she doesn't even have to leave her bed, her wigs or her cigs.

And I was SO looking forward to her return! Nene literally believes her own hype and seems to think everything out of her mouth (usually a stank reference to a lady's nether parts followed by "biiiitch") is finger-snappingly meme-worthy. She STILL has not learned that pride goes before a fall! I would have thought that doing the open-mike circuit and owing the IRS millions would have made her a teensy bit humble... but that footage clearly shows the disdain in which she holds her own fans. Yeah, the war of words mediaplay feels like an unstoppable train derailing off the tracks! Honestly, that Bethenny Frankel news made me feel like there IS some good in this world, lol. I hope we get to see this Bethenny next season.

Ugh. Lord, Nene. Why are you squandering people's goodwill towards you?? http://tamaratattles.com/2017/10/09/at-this-rate-there-really-shouldnt-be-a-season-11-of-rhoa-at-all/ In some better news, I don't know whether any of you have been keeping up with Bethenny Frankel and what she has been doing for the relief effort in Puerto Rico, but it is hella impressive. I say this as someone who dislikes her, but she is getting things done down there, and showing a lot of heart in the process. I am surprised, but pleasantly so.

When I saw #ClapBackSeason on that IG post, the more I wonder if this isn't Kim's way to drum up interest for her buddy Michael Beck's first season at the helm as well as for Tardy. And possibly to give her daughter Brielle an 'in' on a show like Atlanta? Brielle is so thirsty for her own reality role. In any case, a lot of this drama is starting to smell like mediaplay. And it pains me to admit, but it's working. This is like web-based pre-episodes ahead of the November start date, and it is a damn sight more entertaining than OC which is painfully dead. It doesn't make me like Kim or Brielle, though, even if they've touched on something with the pill accusations. I hope Nene decimates them. And i hope a camera is there for it.

Brielle is a little brat and a walking indictment of what a bad job in parenting Kim did. I know she's young, but I am ready for Nene to drag that little girl, and her nasty mother too. Lord, when Nene said those roaches must have come from B's funky kitty I was Reunion is going to be a MESS. Though it could well be that with this Nene-Kim blowup, Kenya's job is now safe and Michael Beck might be sent on his way. Shocked but not surprised. NJ has spent over four years burning that bridge with their audience. Also, is it just me or was promotion for this season debut especially lowkey?

Music to my ears. Isn't Dallas on a truncated schedule too? I think it is for the best. Danielle and Tre were never friends -- she was and is ride-or-die for Dina, and that's why Danielle was always the antagonist in S1-S2. For this episode, I appreciate they touched on their bad history before transitioning to the yoga instagram post heard round the world... it laid the groundwork to THE big question of the season which is: are Teresa and Danielle Staub really friends? We all know Teresa is strategic with her "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mindset. And we alllll know she still hates Melissa, and that the Danielle 'friendship' may be related to that. Even with the 'playful' cake-throwing, when Teresa picked up the full cake on its tray and hauled it at Melissa... Though Teresa is unforgiving and unable to own up to blame of any kind, this episode reminds me why I am compelled to root for her in a way. Everything she feels about somebody is written all over her face. And she is authentic when it comes to showing the ups and downs of her life. Especially the way it affects her family. For better or for worse, she has allowed Bravo to show how jail and the deaths in her family affect everybody. I feel for her especially regarding her mom's death. By contrast, Melissa's fake platitudes regarding her mother in law were kinda sickening. Bitch, you had no qualms tearing apart that family and breaking your parents-in-law's hearts for the sake of 'stardom.' I love that Bravo are showing what went down with Envy lol. I wonder if Melissa looks at her daughter and thinks "That's my old face" ? Speaking of fakery... I feel like Siggy has caught Shannon-second-seasonitis: bigging up her own importance, thinking she is the breakout queen of the show. It's going to be a learning curve when she gets audience backlash. I like Margaret, pigtails apart. Margaret also seems like she got a good read on Siggy's BS. It's been over four seasons since I have finished watching a NJ season. S3 was the last time. With S6, I couldn't even finish the first episode. Cautiously, I have a good feeling about this season, and it's been a long time since I felt that way. Maybe it was the references to Kim D... maybe it was Danielle seemingly calm, rational and non-obsessive.... maybe it is the HWs going to Italy on their big trip. My only question is how come Danielle wasn't made a full HW? Everything in this episode seems to suggest that NJ was priming her for a spot in the opening credits.

Dallas: This show is really getting the right balance between fun and toxic lol. I might not love Kameron on this show, but I can definitely see why she is needed -- a spoiled, snooty princess there to remind the others of her impeccable pedigree and look down her incredible rhinoplastied nose at others. She is a perfect as a foil for Brandi. I know Brandi is meant to be the wrong-side-of-the-tracks-made-good feisty redhead we root for, but Brandi has a hand in her own downfall. She is definitely forming a mean girls trifecta with Stephanie and Cary, and she is DEFINITELY not just stirring the pot but orchestrating all the bad feeling between the women. I was so ready to have her called out at dinner, but she managed to escape by the skin of her teeth. She was also out to try and make D'Andra look like a stick-in-the-mud with the dildo, but D'Andra took it in her stride and laughed it off. D'Andra truly is a voice of reason in this group. Despite the nasty crack about Rich's penis (which I'm sure Brandi will run and tell Leeanne about in due course), I cannot help but like Cary the most. She has a really dry wit and is smart as a whip.

Well damn. Ever feel like it is the End of Days? I do, with Bravo and some of these RH shows! Atlanta is doing the most but is in danger of overreaching itself with this trip mess. Meanwhile OC is veering into NJ territory with behind the scenes stuff they can never directly allude to. S3/S4 of NJ made for incredibly frustrating viewing -- the women were unwilling and unable to go into what had been said and done. Clearly Tamra has put a gag order on this Jeff Timmons story and will probably try to gag all mention of this email, too. So now we have another 10 bloody episodes of talking around the actual issues at hand (lest we forget, Vicki also doesn't like anybody bringing up Brooks' scam on TV). What an effing mess. In addition... how many fake cancer accusations is this show accumulating? Three? I can't with this. Not only has there been real cancer in my own family, but it makes me feel awful for someone like Jill Zarin who is currently dealing with a terminal prognosis for Bobby. I have no wish to watch this nonsense on a RH show. It's painful for me, and they are being too flippant about lying about it (and yes i understand that Peggy is likely an exception in all this with her preventative mastectomy). omg thank you for giving a laugh this morning! For this scene alone, I cannot wait to watch.

Marlo would have knocked her down. Lucky for Porsha's face and new boobs that Production stepped in!

Looks like Porsha felt that with Kenya gone she could make a dramatic play to stay on the show. Imo this should be a firing offence. She's been attacking other women for 4 seasons now!

Those anger management courses really paid off for Porsha huh.

Also, Kim appeals to a slightly different demo now that she's off the RHOA and married to cornfed All-American boy Kroy Biermann. It's the same demographic that cheered at her fighting with German airport security for DARING to put her fire-hazard wigs through extra security procedures. The same demo that cheered when Brielle tweeted a picture of McDonald's in ITALY with the caption "Finally some good food!" It can be settled that way and I think it would probably have been... as the US Weekly article that @Nothin'ButAttitude posted indicated, her husband was ready to support and accommodate his wife on the show, but not quickly enough for the producers' liking. In some ways, this could be a problem with timing. Kenya got married very close to when RHOA started filming for this season. And it was meant to be a secret wedding, I assume, so she could unveil it on the show in her own time. The news leaked and caught Bravo off guard. I wonder if this 'Kenya's 'fake' marriage' SL was put in place by producers keen to force Kenya's hand into revealing her husband on the show. Instead, it has pushed her in the opposite direction and made her more wary to reveal him on RHOA. Kenya does lay a lot of her life out for the show so I honestly think it would only have been a matter of time before Marc showed up onscreen -- maybe if the new production had used honey instead of vinegar to entice her. Just my speculation ofc.

I figured the backlash is going to be big. If it affects the ratings for Dont Be Tardy, so much the better. We all know that show is her cash cow. It ain't that Kashmere Skincare line!