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Gotta love an international crime lord who keeps his will up to date. "Mr. Dimera, you have meeting about mind control prisms at 10:00, and then your estate attorney is here is have you sign the fourth will you had him draw up this year, and Jim, your latex mask specialist, is asking for ten minutes at noon."

So, the party at which Renee was murdered was supposed to be an announcement of their wedding, not engagement? And, I'm guessing (using soap opera inherited property rules) that Alex got the house because it had been recently revealed that Tony was an illegitimate heir?

Can someone jog my memory? I think Alex bought a big house, (maybe from Kellem Chandler?), and got engaged to Renee. When Renee was murdered she was at Alex's house, because the party was meant to be the announcement of their engagement. Then, somehow the Dimera's forced Alex out of the house and that became the Dimera Mansion. Is any of that correct? Did anyone live at the Kiriakis House before Victor moved in? Also, where did Don and Liz live? And didn't Todd Chandler and Savannah Wilder live with Alex at one point?

I'm guessing this is Dame Joan's longest marriage. Here's pictures from the party. Stephanie Beacham (looking amazing but, do they still make dresses like that?) And the Hollywood curse, when you begin to look younger that your kids

I read Lynda Hirsch's summary too quickly and got mixed up by her run-on sentences - thanks "EJ is stunned when Clyde, Ben's ne'er-do-well father, is his cellmate. Clyde tells him he will give him lessons of surviving life behind bars."

Can someone remind me why Ben is jail? What was the outcome of EJ's trial? And is Brady still in trouble over the Phillip incident? This show has such a limited attention span for stories that I've missed the conclusions of all of those plots.

Lois was so lovely on her wedding day, but I can't help think that the dress wore her, and the hair didn't help. It also seems like not the choice that character would have made to wear on her wedding day. Lois was a hip chick in the music biz, this is a little too princess-y. Just look at those nails, that is not the manicure of a woman who wears her hair braided with like Heidi of the Alps.

I found a few more from Dynasty (classique) & Falcon Crest Fallon was so beautiful, but the 80s affinity for a chunky headband was never a great fashion choice (conspiracy theory, it was the heavy veil that gave her those headaches, not a tumor) Leann Hunley wears a bridal gown so well, all of her characters should wear one in every scene A hat and a wig? It's like putting a fake tree on top of a fake hill Did they have to scale up the earrings to match the hair?

I know SORASing messes everything up and makes age irrelevant, but it's funny that nobody refers to Gabi as cougar considering she had Arianna when Johnny and Allie were around 4 years old.

You sir are a scholar and a gentleman, thanks for the history lesson!

Did Miss Ellie have any siblings? And were her parents wealthy? Also, Jock, Jason, Jack, Jamie, JR, James and then Bobby and Gary? Did they run out of "J" names? Might I suggest Jeremiah or Jaxon (Jeremy was already taken by the smarmy Mr Wendell)? Or was the original setup meant to mirror the Kennedy clan?

There was discussion in the Primetime soap thread about Jack and Jamie Ewing and the respective actors that played those roles. However, it struck me that another valid point about the poor logic surrounding their introduction is that they retroactively made Jock Ewing into a huge jerk. Not only did he keep his illegitimate son in the barn, but he screwed over both Digger Barnes and his own brother for the oil rights on what would become the Ewing Ranch. Even JR was a bit more loyal to his family that that!

Whether it was a deliberate choice or not, I appreciated the consistency that Abby was always beholden to her role as a mother. Unlike JR, who used John Ross as a tool to manipulate Sue Ellen, Abby had to deal with issues like custody and Olivia's drug habit throughout her entire run on the series. The bottle episode with Olivia is iconic and well earned given both character's history. It gave context to her motives and made her a more complex villain than guys like Chip, Joshua, or Paul Galveston. Which is why the introduction of Wolfbridge and other consortium groups never seemed like a good fit for the drama. The writers who introduced those elements sought to expand the Knots universe in ways that could only alienate long term viewers. That being said, I think Linda was a excellent proto-Abby candidate and it was unfortunate that she exited so suddenly and without much fan fair.

I've had that earworm stuck in my head for the past two days! 🎼 "put your past behind you"

I always confuse it with this other clumsy attempt to capitalize on feminism

They're the same crowd that was desperate for a Tony Franciosa comeback vehicle. It's just so confusing that she's singing "finders of love loves", but the show had the clunky title "finder of love loves"

Finder of Lost Loves should have been cancelled just for its banal theme song. It's like those Bond themes when the songwriter has to finagle the title into the song lyric, but it doesn't really fit. Good idea for an anthology show, but terrible casting and theme. Is this Deborah Adair before or after her time on Dynasty?

I was just thinking that, despite being the black sheep of the family, Gary really made the most of his inheritance from Jock. While JR and Bobby were fighting for control of Ewing Oil, and still living with their Mamma, Gary bought a ranch, paid off two divorce settlements, and invested in Empire Valley. The ranch alone was probably worth a lot, considering it was within commuting distance to Lotus Point. Just for comparison, Gary bought his ranch around 1984, Michael Jackson bought Neverland (which is probably fictionally close to where Gary would have lived) for 17 million dollars in 1988.

I nominate Paula Kelly. She was a Broadway actress, and Bob Fosse muse, but she played a memorable small part on Santa Barbara as Peter Flint's evil pimp who tried to threaten Kelly while posing as her dressmaker for her wedding to Peter. She could have gone toe to toe with Alexandra, and she had a really intriguing presence on camera

Time-wise wasn't Laura dating Scotty and then they married within a year or so of Rick marrying Leslie? To me that's the part of the retcon didn't hold water. Although, it also never made sense to me why Rick adopted Laura in the first place and made her a Webber, when she was almost 18. Did Laura really need to be adopted a second time in her young life?

That's great idea, but I hope we can agree that Susan Piper's connection to the outcome of the plot was tenuous at best. I mean was the secret love affair of two dying codgers worth all that trouble (and quicksand)?

That's funny because I avoided Annabelle since their prior adventure had been about her family of origin, I thought they should give that side of the family tree a break and focus on Tony's stuff, given the recent addition of his brother.

I would argue that somebody has to be alive in the cabin for the plot to make sense, given that Susan was keeping their existence a secret. However, since it involved Tony why not make it a missing Reardon relative? My objection is the random nature of connecting the whole plot to the Spauldings, despite nobody from the family being an integral part of the story.

I've heard the comment before about rejecting the Brandon "twist" because he died on screen. So, I wonder if there is any prior generation character that could have been substituted?

Since we were discussing it in the Knots thread, I thought I would redirect the topic here. Looking back, it was odd that Darren Star cast Mariel Hemingway, got her to host SNL, and dressed her in S1 Tom Ford for Gucci and then created a character who was completely blind to the motives of those around her. I don't care if her character was supposed to have moved from the Pacific Northwest or Mars, if she couldn't detect what was happening with her husband and her editor right under her nose then she was dense about a lot more than this season's trends. As for the rest of the cast; Lauren Hutton has never acted in a role that I've found to be charismatic or interesting, she was always pretty good on talk shows, but she could not embody a character. Gerald McRaney was built for primetime soaps because his masculinity was so over the top, I would say the same for Ron Liebman who was both geographically correct and his ability to play smarmy always left me wanting more. As for Raquel Welch it was the wrong casting for the times. Look at the fashions of the early 90s, they were all referencing a time when Welch was a star, then look at the hats and suits they put her in to look like a poor man's Alexis from Dynasty. It just wasn't the right fit for the period and it made the show look unsophisticated. We wanted a peek into the lives of Manhattan elites, not busty broads and ballsy retorts. But, reading the wiki, it was also a tumultuous time at CBS, and they may have been more patient if they were less worried about affiliates.