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Heck Cohen has wanted Eddie to be gay...and you can bet Cohen spotted it right away...and just let it go in order to build to when it is revealed their a bearded couple lol Season 11 hinted at it. Maybe season 12 will out Tamra with vicki responsible...then maybe the two will go away. Time to clean house on that show

I liked the episode where Jenna went to visit vanessa, alex, Holly, Harley and finally Buzz. It was a great good bye episode. I did love in that episode where India said she wished she'd known Jenna better...with Alex saying they'd have a lot to talk about... And I do agree once Jenna married Buzz...she lost what made her unique and memorable. She was the 90s version of India/Helena...yet was her own person so she wasn't a carbon copy.

I liked how frank and outspoken JC was about her departure. Based on the summaries I read in late 1975/6...Willis was pursuing Alice and she kind of fell for it...but within a year...the story shifted..and she then started interacting with Ray and his mother due to Sally...with Rachel thinking that Sally should go back to the grandmother. I imagine how JC would have played the mid to late 70s material...I think she and Rachel would have remained hostile though civil with one another..but I think Alice wouldn't have lost her importance to the show had JC remained. And JC obviously won because she ended up on OLTL for about 8 years..and did quite well playing a character not quite like Alice.

I was surprised it took Julia/Mason so long before they became a couple. I always wondered if when julia asked Mason to be the father of her baby...that the writers intended for them to become a couple...or, like eden/Cruz, they had such chemistry that the story shifted to them as end game.

Buzz coming on (thus leading to Maureen death since money was needed to hire Justin Deas) was the start of the demise of the show. He basically isolated Nadine and later Jenna from the rest of the canvas in so many ways. Pre buzz...Nadine had connections such as an odd couple friendship with Holly, rival in Vanessa...dated Ross, Alan, and was married to Billy...so she had connections to not only the Coopers...but to the Spauldings and Lewis clans...so I was confused why the show had trouble finding story for Nadine (the reason she left). Jenna had ties to the Spauldings, Thorpe, and to the Chamberlains...but once she married Buzz...she was isolated in a lot of ways...

I do recall one scene during the 25th anniversary where Sharpene was telling Donna and Michael that she was as surprised at them about Gwen..that she isno acting like the Gwen she remembered....so I think even the writers knew this wasn't really Gwen...which adds more credibility to the rumor that she was a last minute addition.

Can I say that I thought both kim and Rinna were in the wrong. Kim should have given the present back off camera....she just did it to stick it to rinna...which tells me she isn't truly recovering at all. I did think her reasons were valid though..just think off camera would have been better. Rinna needs to move on...I thought kim being demoted would cancel out a long running feud...but maybe Rinna needs to go.

My theory on julia being killed was because the show probably thought Julia and Marley were interchangable...and since the show by 1984 preferred the loves over the Matthews..they figured offing Julia wouldn't damage the showorld long term. My only thoughts on Sally and Zane were to showcase the tragic nature's of both Felicia and Caitlin...which really serves to undercut both characters especially Sally. Even though Sally was recast a lot...I thought both jennifer Runyon and Mary Page Keller each made Sally their own..and both were quite popular as the character.

One Thing I wish the show had done was bring back India for a visit again before the show ended...with Philip back from the dead...beth/Alan having a child together....imagine the sarcasm coming from India. She and Philip had a fun banter...and man could she get under Beth's skin lol

Out of all the deaths on SB...this ranks as the most memorable.

Even though Alice wasn't used well during her year long return, you have to admit she gave it her all. It was like the show was trying to find a place for her during her first months...even testing a Donna/Alice rivalry as well as being a mentor of sorts to thomasina. I liked that the show didn't resort to Alice/Rachel fighting over a man....but as a doctor...you'd think she'd be in the thick of things. I think maybe 1984 was the wrong time to bring her back...I think the late 80s would have been better... the show had some stablity...and Donna S wrote her quite well during her 2 brief visits in 1989.

Not only did it kill off a viable veteran..it also wrote a complicated character into a corner.

I figured the jennifer falling through the glass worked cause of build up due to her troubled state of mind, desperation to hold onto her husband, and her jealousy of his closeness to another woman. Would the Jennifer killing Eunice story be in the same boat..or would that have been for shock value as well?

As much as people lament that the mid to late 80s veered away from the original concept...I do admit that I liked the near death experience arc, the wild west arc, and even the underground city arc. In a way, the show was about diversity and presenting ideas not always popular....a lot of people believe in near death experiences...and the time travel theor has always been around...and haven't we all wondered what it would be like to live undergeound. Shame they didn't feature anyone living in the city...a character isolated from modern day society...would have truly been a harken to the shows roots..imho

But didn't the Carrington reign stabilize the show..and led to them creating Texas due to their work on SAT? All I know is that they created the Santells...and Sunny. Plus, action storyline became the norm in the late 70s/early 80s...so they had to adapt. Based on what I've read...the mid 70s was the last golden age of the show...with a multi generational approach....with Jo/Eunice still getting stories...but younger characters also got focus like jennifer, scott,kathy, liza...etc

I thought the Walker family was a good idea...because the show needed a middle class family to balance out the Cap wells. The problem was that they were focused on too quickly at the expense of the capwells. That said, I actually liked Kim Zimmer better here then on GL. She was still a little over the top, but she was also more grounded...playing a cop...and the scenes where she felt guilt not recognizing the signs that her daughter was abused when she'd been a cop were acted well. The problem the show had was that it was too hinged on Cruz/Eden...and once Eden left...the show never recovered. If modern soaps could watch a past soap to show what not to do....Santa Barbara should be a template of how focusing on one couple without developing long term supporting characters can kill a show long term.

Based on the clips I watched...she seemed very likable. Not hot, but an attractive presence..full of energy. I often thought her vision of where she wold have taken Texas was answered in my 1st stint at Guiding Light..especially in terms of the Lewis Family...and how she wrote the Reardons.

I recall Chelsea handler had her on...and she kept going on and on about how much she loved Santa Barbara...and even finding Kelly cap well in the phone book and calling her....and Robin wright had this stunned and shell shocked look on her face. But the kicker was how Chelsea pointed out that she got princess bride cause rob reined watched SB...and Robin wright basically said that was sad he watched the show.

The only logical reason I can come up in regards to the recast is maybe the actor did something unprofessional that warranted his firing. Based on what I heard about Robin wright, I would have fired her for being a spoiled brat and being a bitch to her co workers...but I think her being forced to stay a year longer then she wanted was perfect punishment.

From what I've seen...they're almost different shows. I think had the show been given more time..it would have found its footing and identity outside AW...like Somerset did for a time.

The final co headwriter Jill loris Hurst sounded promising..and I wonder how she would have fared had she had an executive producer who dealt in reality.

Actually...like with edge of Night...Procter and gamble cancelled SFT..NBC had wanted to pick it up for another year or two.. I thought the Corringtons gave SFT their last stable and decent period in the late 70s?

They did briefly reference that in 2003 during Reva's stalking story...with evidence pointing to Holly doing it...and Holly proclaiming she was innocent...but everyone wondering if she flipped out again. I recall the scone with fake Michelle being nervous having holly alone with her baby. It didn't make sense that it was referenced all of a sudden..and before she was a suspect for Reva's stalking. I did like Ed believing her...and then all of a sudden...she was determined as innocent and vanished for awhile to babysitting duties. I thought the nursery rhyme stuff tied into her drinking...or was I wrong to assume that.

Having a castle in oakdale...so 80s. Nice to know even Marland followed the trends..bad as they were. Shannon seemed so unlike a typical Marland creation, only to learn that he didn't create her..and it made more sense to me. Most of his female characters he created were kinda boring...except for Julie...until she got saddled in the vortex of the dreaded Snyders. I always viewed Carly as a 2nd rate Julie.

I actually liked the Nursery rhyme story... and it was one of the few times all the female characters admitted that maybe they weren't the best mothers in the world (reva's reaction was interesting when Marah admitted letting the kids go with holly because she was always having to babysit everyone and just wanted some space). What I didn't like was the fact that Reva got involved...and was viewed as the hero. Sadly...oneven of the more interesting results of the story was Annie and Holly briefly becoming friends before the show opted to deep six that.