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Stephanie to really like the toilet..maybe he doesn't satisfy down under

I do think New York needs a slight revamp...the question is how to tweak it without it turning into season 5(which turned out to be my favorite season of NY...some drama, some individual scenes...and loved the new girls reactions to Ramona...heather eith the grinning, carole trying to use logic and Aviva just losing it after toleratimg Ramona/Sonja for over half the season lol) OC needs a revamp for season 13...no previous housewives coming back as full time (Bethenny, Dina and Lydia proving that sometimes you c Ant go back). I think Kelly will need to go because anyone can cause drama...vicki is actually funny in her family scenes (sadly that was what made Vicki fun..her family scenes and her spastic talking heads)..and Shannon is oddly fascinating in her individual scenes (by herself or with her girls...not with her husband). Meghan and Lydia seem to serve the same function...and Peggy..jury is out. Tamra has enough material on her own or with family that she doesn't have to cause too much drama anymore. Still Gretchen got fired cause she made up stuff for a story and refused to say sorry (not that I like her..but at least she was honest that she wasn't sorry)...yet Vicki remains due to her dubious role in Brooks cancer scam because she said sorry even though she didn't mean it and hasn't changed the behavior. I will say T amra has changed her behavior with Shannon to an extent. I am also one of those people that believe she is trying to change...but she still has to pay the price for the years she was a troublemaker..karma and all BH...is R inna really more toxic then Brandi?!?!? I liked Adrienne...she and LVP had a fun love/hate relationship...competetive yet could have fun together. Still loved when LVP tried to teach adrienne how to cook..or when Adrienne couldn't even slice a sandwich correctly

As much as I don't like housewives that aren't married...ill make an exception for Camille

I heard that mariel quit because the show wanted to downgrade her from lead cast member to recurring. Ironically..the show wad finding its footing when CBS yanked it...and retooled it to a bad version of Dynasty.

Wow...thats on the level of Kelly Dodd.

No, I'd rather they had a special episode where cruz/Eden weren't shoved down our throats...and characters outside the Capwells were represented

Guess what ms. Beador is up to.. http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/when-life-handed-shannon-beador-lemons-she-decided-to-open-a-restaurant?cid=soc_dg_fb_RHOC

Agnes Nixon did create OLTL partly in reaction tinthe restrictions she had while working under P and G. She wanted a diverse soap in terms of class, religion, gender, and face. To tell the stories she couldn't tell under P and G. In the 70s and 80s...ATWT seemed more conservative and tame in comparison to GL. Hence why the dobsons worked on GL and not ATWT. Marland even adapted to GL and wrote it differently then he wrote ATWT.

I did like that evem though ava and Stacey stopped interacting fully in the last few years...there were occasional nods of history to their previous rivalry. Once when Ava was faking being pregnant with Leo's baby...and Stacey mentioning that Ava hadn't changed a bit over the years...and after Stacey's murder where Ava expressed sadness at her death admitting to Angie that her and Stacey were never close and feeling guilt over the stunts she pulled. Shane was an interesting character... she wad neither a heroine or a true villianess...she and Leo had a fun relationship...and boy did they have great couple spats. It was a shame the show wrote them off..but at least she had her happy ending given what had happened to her late hubby and child years before.

Gretchen needs to go away. Unless she gets married or does something with her life....she should never be back on the show. And Gretchen vs tamra is as played out as ramona vs bethenny on new York. The shows becoming about feuds and teams is what killed the franchise...and helped contribute to the toxicity of our current society.

I always thought Grant was her true love. In fact, that pairing helped mellow her to the point where she was bootable and not the interloper. And I loved how karma rewarded Lisa with Joyce Coleman in the 70s and early 80s. I think having Grant come back in the final episode wanting to check into the hotel she was running..and Lisa smiling..could have left viewers with the notion that perhaps they would end up together again.

To be honest, t amra has never been a great mother...but mark my words, that will be Kelly and Jolie in about ten years as well.

This shows that multiple stories could be balanced on a half hour show. You can tell Bill Bell was still show runner at the time. It's funny that Stephanie rewrites history cause she was just as bad as Brooke was. While Eric was attractive, I don't think he was worth it...and didn't get why Beth, Brooke and Stephanie were hot to trot for him. Seeing Donna in this episode makes me understand more why the original actress quit a few short months later. She's just a talk to..and the original actress said her main rrason fir keaving was due to being just a talk to for Brooke. Sad since her character drive quite a bit of story from 1987 to 1989/90. Id forgotten Felicia worked at Spectra.. I recall she did one fashion show for them..with an environmental theme..and I think that was when she was clued in aboit Jake/Macy...but details are hazy.

But do you think the writers changed the character based on the actress? Sometimes a writer will shift a character based on how a new performer plays the scenes written.

She seemed more confident and possessing of a backbone. I often wonder how she would have played the story of MJ being a former hooker.

Ed and Norma...one of the more grounded stories from the original series especially in the first season.

There are parts of 1981 that were quite good. It seemed like the Matthews family was getting renewed focus....and you had Alice/Sally coming back. I liked Jennifer runyon's sally...and it's interesting when she leaves...that the role of interloper in Donna/Peter's life transfers to Cecile....cause Mary page Keller had a different take on the part then runyon did (not sure about the brief recast between the two) I thought waiting a few months after the recast Alice was there before bringing on a recast Steve would have been smart had they not replaced Alice so quickly. Maybe, the show thought she played Alice too harsh..and thought the character should have been more ingenurish...but Alice wad never a true ingenure...she was sarcastic, strong willed and stubborn..and wasnt gullible. JC played that with Alice...and Harney also played Alice that way even though she had a shrill undertone. I will agree 1982 was a forgettable year..and it seemed like 1983 to 1984 was an attempt to forget most of what happened in 1982...in some ways.

1991 was a great year...the rebuilding/transformation if the show from Pam long's era to Curlee and co's era. 1992 wad the last year where I thought the show was flawless....1993 had some great stuff..but Mo's death short circuited a wonderful potential storyline that started in late 1991...ed/lillian/maureen....people would be torn...sides would be taken. We know Roger and vanessa would take Mo's side...but id be on the fence over whose side Holly would take.. since she had become friends with Mo ad well as her close friendship with Ed...yet would have felt sympathy for Lillian as well. Blake and Ross would be an interesting question since both had close ties to ed/mo...alan Michael as well given he and Ed were close. Such a shame.

Guess who is now trying make up lol Guess since she and Gretchen are bosom buddies...makeup not so bad lol Will this succeed..or go the way of her jean line? http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/vicki-gunvalson-la-splash-cosmetics-lipstick-collaboration?cid=soc_dg_fb_Lookbook_RHOC

I do recall dru/neil/cricket/nina/Danny hanging together some in the early 90s.. I'm not surprised Ashley was involved with Dru's early story......she and Olivia were written as old college chums/sorority sisters...and that connection was maintained/mentioned through the early 2000s. I think I bought Brenda's Ashley and Olivia being friends mire so of the three Ashleys...if that makes sense.

What's funny is that t amra offered a few times to help her and shannon's excuse was that the gym is 30 minutes away. Reading shannon's blog about the trainer going 'wow' and not being bothered.. it shows me that she is conditioned to accept that...to fuel her victim complex. With that said, seeing a clip of next week of Shannon teaching Sophie to drive...she and Vicki are so similar lol. I wish Sophie got a talking head...all she would have to do is roll her eyes and shrug her shoulders and say 'that's just mom'. rhony Luann is reality tv gold only on vacations

RHOC Good balance between the old format with some drama mixed in. Shannon fascinates me..i give her props for showcasing her struggle with her weight...and seeing her with her trainer confirmed for me that I made the right decision not getting a gym membership. I think Shannon should maybe invest in a bicycle. Kelly is pure trash and exactly what is wrong with humans nowadays. She better remember that she's a decade away from menopause and could very well end up gaining 40 plus lbs herself. Peggy...i like her. Just because she doesn't bring drama so far doesn't mean she's a dud. Seeing the scene of her discussing breast reconstruction reminds me of what my late mom went through with breast reconstruction herself. Lydia' s tagline should be 'I stick my nose in people's business so they stay out of mine'. Vicki with the cameras all over her office screams 1984. I would quit so fast if I found out about that. Megan's vignettes with baby and Jimmy are cute. T amra is being calm...i hope it lasts...but bybmid season she'll be screaming at someone.

It was a shame that the last few years the show dropped any attempt at being a soap. The introduction of Pretty would have been handled differently had she been introduced in the earlier years vs the later years. Im still amazed Paloma was a pretty interesting character..the complete opposite of her sister Theresa...considering she was introduced in the later years as well.

Oh god...RHOA will soon be like Rhony where one housewife calls all the shots. I was celebrating when toxic Nene went away...and noe I fear the show will revolve around Nene and her demands backstagw...just like new York with bethenny.

I didn't know that Julia and pearl might have been paired...i saw some episodes from fall 1986 after her latest fling didn't work and she and pearl were hanging out...and I did note chemistry. I also thought that she and Dylan (the guy she found on the beach fall 1985) had chemistry..and was surprised the show opted for him to go with Kelly.