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Maybe Tamra is serious about finding Jesus...she does seem calmer...and she was at Sydney's graduation per Instagram. I think Shannon moved to start over fresh...but as I learned from watching the tv show Sisters. You can move houses, but you also bring your problems with you along with the furniture. I hope for some fun scenes of Shannon with her three girls. Her oldest Sophie has grown up! Lydia...i just love Vicki...she needs to stop mentioning brooks...or im praying to God that she gets demoted come season 13. And I'm glad Eddie asked T amra not to meet Vicki. I'm sick of the contrived gatherings...and people being angry having to be in the same room. The thing that made all the old fights and drama pop..wad that it was organic and not so contrived. Vicki and take a don't film much together this season...so I hope the show uses the anticipation of a face off between Vicki and tamra...as must see tv. And I think the group vacation should be one of the only times all the housewives should be required to be together. That's why I'm not into RHONY this season...they are always together and very little is shown of their lives. At least Jules had stuff to show last season with her kids and marriage.

Emma had two more love interests in the late 80s and early to mid 90s. Cal Stricklyn and Ned Simon.

Well with RHOC, you're goinna have to be patient if you want drama since all of them don't film together much till the last quarter of filming. A lot more cliques and less group gatherings...and more focus on their family lives. I think that might work...get out appetites and anticipation for when certain foes face off.

I figured Eileen wouldmy habe time with her doing both days and young. I'm surprised Doritt is back...shr was such a dud. If she continued being a dud in her second season them she should get the ax

Mctavish created Fletcher and holly..if I recall due to her thinking it was dysfunctional for holly to remain with a rapist....odd considering a lot of her MAC and OLTL was pretty dark.

I loved willa Ford...and she did dancing with the stars...i think.

The problem I'm finding with this season is that it's the same ole same ole. Tinsley is ok, but doesn't have an interesting life to explore and doesn't bring a spark that the show needs. I'm also noticing there is way too much group interaction and a lack of an indiVicsual narrative. I miss the days when the women did their own thing and didn't need another housewife in the scene with them. I think at least 2 or 3 should be cut..and hire 1 or 2 newbies...married with kids and lives outside the group that we can see and gasp in awe. RHOC sounds like it will be less group...and I think that works better...it where our appetite for a showdown if we are made to wait for it.

Megan's tagline is made of win!!! I love that the families are still in the intro. Seeing vicki's new man in the intro makes me wonder...hmmm.

Actually Seth and Betsy were involved...right before she left town. I think Lindsay frost brought a fierce and fiesty element to Betsy that Meg Ryan didnt provide...probably why her betsy and steve didnt work. So Marland probably didn't know how to write/position her on the canvas. She couldn't be the dumb ingenure, nor was she the villianess either...and anti heroine was filled nicely by Emily....so supportive character was probably the best Marland could do.

Agree that Ed was missing from that story...given the close bond he and Blake always had...plus you know it would habe caused strife with Roger and Holly given the complicated history of those three...plus even organically caused Fletcher to realize that Holly would always be tied to Roger and Ed.

I know Agnes Nixon used part of her A MC bible to create Rachel and ada....as well as marry Rachel off to a med student. The difference was Alice w asnt like Tara...and that's what made the rachel/steve/Alice story work at first...Alice was no shrinking violet..

That's why I liked the Tory story...because Ross was the one who cheated...and he did lead Torry on. I liked the twist where Blake was the one to save the day..and that the obsession was for Blake..not Ross.

Which of the two actresses did you guys prefer as Mindy...Krista T or Kimberly Simms (not even going to include Ann Hamilton nor Barbara Frampton as choices). To me..it seemed like Mindy and Mallet were being tested as a couple...but then the gears shifted. Was this once Pam Long left the show?

Acrually...an alcoholic is one when they drink...they can't stop and they become vicious and black out. If anything she's a functional alcoholic And after naked wasted...Bravo should have stopped with the alcohol.

Dorinda seems to be an alcoholic...cant stop drinking...blacks out... and gets almost verbally violent. I think the alcphol needs to stop neing peovided. She's interesting enough when sober. Tinsley is a dud. They need an older and married woman with kids. Jules was a better addition then Tinsley was...and she was too bohemian for the show (carole...jules was a real.bohemian )

Ironically...Luann is actually married...you know...a 'housewife. So that could play a bit into it. I'm hoping for next season for NY to have less group..and more one on one..or individual scenes. Id rather see more scenes of Luann as a newlywed. And I think the season 4 purge for MY was too much. I would have fired Cindy and Kelly....but kept Jill and Alex...and added just Heather in season 5. That way..the show could have taken time to introduce Heather...i would have loved to have seen how Jill and Alex would have interacted with Heather. RHOC season 12....i can't wait. I shouldn't be excited but I am.

The late 80s when Roger/Holly came back....diane vs alexandra...diane vs blake...and it would have been interesting to see Diane' s reaction to Vanessa being married to billy...

Last season on RHOC...shannon's vow renewal only had heather, meghan and Tamra there...and it was a fun event..with all of Shannons friends there. No one fought and it proved an event can commence in housewife land without a fight. Also, Vicky's birthday didnt have shannon nor heather there...and it was kinda fun (loved Brianna trying to figure out who merv Griffin was lol). And RHONY didnt have all the women together as much.

Would you say Diane was a Dobson creation that Marland wrote well? I know he had trouble with a lot of the Dobson characters. And do you think Diane could have worked well beyond summer 1981? If so, in what way?

Murder mysteries require a different skill set imho. You have to have a build up to the murder, you need strong suspects, great red herrings, and the killer needs to be someone surprising yet plausible. Perhaps Lemay figured he couldn't do one and just acted superior to mask an insecurity. Also, it sounds like he was more concerned with twisting characters to fit his purposes/whims...then writing how they were established (i.e. Alice). Diane Ballard murder mystery was awesome..it was built up for weeks, lots of suspects, and a good reveal of the killer...someone left field yet made sense. Only downside was losing a fun villianess to accomplish this though.

I think the franchise needs to reorganize and revamp again. It's just too toxic and too much focus on shade and drama. Current producers need to review the following shows and seasons where they got the balance right. RHONY season 3 (and I still believe kelly and her claims that Bravo made her go on the trip to Scary Island). RHOBH season 1 (nicr balance between trips, friendships , individual day to day stuff, and organic train wreck moments). RHOC season 4 (naked wasted true...but still more about their lives without contrived bravo mandated gatherings. And no fighting over airtime..jist being themselves...even Gretchen then). RHOA...season 3 and 4. (Loved kim exposing phadra for lying about her due date...and providing proof that she was a nurse. Marlo and Sharee...their season 4 smackdown.).

The first months of lindsay's stint.. both didn't like each ither..and would interact on occasion..shading one another. There was a scene after Lindsay found out that Blair was sleeping with sam..when she said that at least with Nora..she could understand why he would go for her...and he gave her a surprised look..and she quickly said she didn't like it, but understood why he was with Nora. To me..it seemed once Pam Long left...Nora and Lindsay's interaction went dark and toxic. Another scene during PL's brief stint had Nora congratulating lindsay on marrying Clint..but pointing out to her that she isn't Vicki..indicating Lindsay was second choice..and Lindsay responded by agreeing and then saying unlike her, I made my move and got him to marry her.

The Marley crazy story could have worked had it been told differently. It made sense after getting hit and then having her face burned in the hospital fire would habe left her feeling at a loss..especially since she no longer resembled Vicky...who let's face it...rhe show always had Marley in Vicky's shadow except the last year or so of Anne Heche's stint. I could see Marley taking Vicky hostage..but not cause she wanted Jake..but perhaps trying to remind her sister that Jake raped her..and that marrying him just proves Vicky had no loyalty to her sister...and history could have been mined with Vicky reminding Marley that Jake was her boyfriend and that she stole him from her..etc. I always thought there was a lot of untapped story potential between Vicky and Marley that never got played or explored..imho. Also, the last year of the show...rachel was written more like Rachel of old. Even her regal accent kind of went away..and she regained some of the sarcasm she had pre Carl.

Oh I agree...i was in college when it was announced. Ironically..the show was actually starting to turn around. The Lumina story was weird...but it was a good umbrella story with the ball..and how some of the characters were going to the foundation for help (I recall one scene with Marley taking Donna there..and stark remarking how she intrigued him..yet nothing came of that.).. as well as the grant murder case. It made no sense at first that Paulina would confess...bit when the killer was revealed as the person she thought was her child..it made sense..cause tough on the outside Paulina was all about family...misguided as it was sometimes. So the irony was the show was turning aeound..even gaining a few new viewers..and was starting to beef up the younger set with ally, Remy, KC, and Jakes nephew...when the show got the ax.

Passions for a lot of press and attention the first 2 or 3 years...when the show had potential. The hamster wheel effect did the show in as well as veering too into the supernatural. I recall the new years eve episode with Tabitha and timmy recapping the first six months of the show...and my mom was watching it that day...and she said 'this is interesting..but not my cup of tea though Timmy is adorable...and I love Juliet Mills.' Would a change in head writer have helped the show?