Soaplovers

To me.. the character of Marley got the short end of the stick in regards to stories/focus/writing once Vicky came onto the scene as the 'bad' twin. Other then the Anne Heche era... Marley really wasn't given that much range/focus other then as the long suffering good twin to Vicky... even her final year when she went crazy was just a way to prop Vicky and rapist Jake. To me, the show never really delved into the whole Donna/Marley connection... since Marley was raised to believe Donna was her sister and not her mom. I know there were occasional focus on the two... but it seemed like the show was more interested in Vicky then Marley.

Camille was not only a villianess in season 1...but she actually had friends, had fun, and read deep books. She was always fairly calm in her confrontations (even her s2 smackdown where she outed Taylor's abuse..she was fairly calm). Adrienne is better as mediator then causing drama.. it's nice to see her and Camille back for visits. You all say boring....i say the calm before the storm.

It was a brief scene they showed after Lizzie complained that no oine came to her birthday party..and the show showed a scene (briefly) of her telling C hristian when drunk that he never got a boner. I think there was to the scene...but the missing housewife Danielle was in the scene so that's why the show cut the scene.

That is fascinating aboit her not approving due to class differences...im going to guess in 1984 it w asnt in the plans at that time for her to have had a romance with a stable guy and had twins....right?

I knew there was something quite not right about that marriage. Especially that drunken scene where she yelled he couldn't get a bones. I knew then that it was okly a matter of time.

Why do you think Agnes Nixon jumped ship to ABC? She had headaches with p and g...and feeling stifled by their rules. No surprise that p and g were unwilling to change even in the 90s and thereafter.

I think we all have to remember that to them, this was a job... and everyone always likes and dislikes certain aspects of a job. Thinking about that, I've softened my stance on Robin Wright and her lack of warmth in regards to her 4 year stint on SB. To us, we loved seeing her act.. but she did have her 1st husband fired, then the show basically forcing her to stay an extra year just so she could film A princess Bride.. then the writers putting her character into a hamster wheel post Joe (first with Nick/Dylan.. then with Jeffery/TJ)... I could see why she would quit because the challenge wasn't there anymore. I do love seeing Julia pre-Mason.. and going through two or three bad romances her first 18 months or so before she and Mason start their slow descent to being a couple. It was a blessing for Julia as a character, yet also a curse.... because her character was almost trapped in the Mason/Julia vortex.. and it didn't help that the characters over a 4.5 year span broke up and made up three times. I don't recall Eden/Cruz doing that after they finally married in spring 1988 until Marcy Walker departed in mid 1991. They had stormy times, but never broke up.. even when her ex flame Robert came back into the picture.

I will say I'm going to miss the Pollack's when they depart The Doctors. While their take on characters wasn't as deep as Lakin's, they more then made up for it with plot and playing the fall out of certain stories (except killing Margo off too soon). I am surprised that the whole bunny event and being sick from being bitten by the bunny hasn't been mentioned... but it is nice to see that Greta acting loopy wasn't just forgotten after 1970/1971.. but was bought back up in 1975.

How the mighty have fallen... karma has come a calling for Luann. After the way she treated Alex several seasons ago, I'm so glad to see how Luann has slowly fallen from that pedestal she put herself in. If it happened to Luann, it will happen to Bethenny as well... karma doesn't pick and choose.. just picks when to strike.

She was kind of icy ad Maggie, but she also was maternal and warm when it warranted. Her and Matt had more a witty banter. When Lydia first came on, she tried to mimic that and came across more bitchy then icy/sarcastic...so the character was softened. I like both actresses take on Maggie. I think realistically Carolee couldn't be the same person she was back when Lakin created her. The Pollacks did retain carolees sarcasm and quirkiness..but also reflected a more serious ajdnsomber undertone since she had a crazy husband, her baby got kidnapped, and had to deal with Mona and now Karen. And during less stressful times, the character did have some fun scenes. I think the Pollacks were better at long term story and less strong on character moments...but man they took a Lakin story of karen/Steve from 1968...and are still playing the effects ofnthat in 1975...plus even are playing the maggie/matt/karen stuff as well. That's the secret of good writing....and it appears that Depriest and Marland will undo all that when they take over. I think Marland became the writer he became after his he messed up on the Doctors turning it a family soap instead of maintaining the doctor/medical aspect.

I think marcel is Valerie....the opening is from season 2 of the original show.

In regards to Michael/iris...it doesn't get mentioned..but Donna and Iris never become friends again. They don't cat fight but they bicker whenever they cross paths and once in awhile Iris would bring up being with Michael...but they never have michael/iris really interact much.

It's nice to see Lydia/Gina having a close moment... they started the series as friends for years..and never really recovered after all the cheap that happened in season 1. While I do like Gina, she isn't perfect and I think her personality can turn people off....and I think that's what happened with Gamble/Gina.

So I've caught up to mid January 1975. Karen is unhinged...but I do like that the character Rita Lakin created is still used to great effect by the Pollack 7 plus years later...along with the fallout of a short term fling between her and Steve. Like Toni's new hair style...but I don't see the fire between her and Alan. We're they popular when the shoe aired originally? Killing Margo off has made them filler. And I kind of like the actor playing Mike...but I know he doesn't last. Nice to see Steve is still talking down to Carolee like shed an infant. Why were they popular again?

Either cut fitness is doing well...or she's gotten a nice hefty guarantee for season 13 and maybe a little bonus money for that reunion embrace with Vicki? Cynical I know I am

It d oesnt matter who they cast, if the writing is shallow and lacking deoth..it won't help. I'd fire the gossip girl duo as showrunner to start and bring on a good soap writer that knows how to pace and structure a plot. Pollack did it on dynasty and Ann Marcus did it on knots landing. And if stop trying to make the Carrington family seem like good prople..its 2017 and most Americans aren't too keen on the elite right now..hence why it's a shame how the show wrote Claudia. She could habe been that outsider that represents the audience. And throwing shade is fun, but that's all the show is doing. All shade with littlenelse makes a shoe pretty boring and unmemorable.

I truly think Cynthia remains in the shoe because of her on point hair and outfit choices. Plus, don't we all need a semi normal person in the group?

It drops..but never to later season Dynasty/Dallas levels. First half of season 13 is the lowest in terms of quality..but still a stable if you forget you are watching Knots. Season 9 has some good scenes/stories..and not so good stories as well and an awesome cliffhanger (which fell during the 1988 writers strike so the wait for its resolution must habe been nailbiting. I remember my mom watching S10 premiere eagerly when I was little).

She will be remembered for Paige and Edie (a small part that grew due to both writing and her acting). If anything, this has generated some buzz for the show..and I can see her playing Alexis as both cold, yet warm.

Why is Porsha still a cast member? Not shade, just a curious question. Fingers cross that season 13 is a lucky 13 for OC. They need a house cleaning...this is the one show that excels at it. Season 9 was the last interesting year for the show. If people want OC not to be toxic..why even suggest bringing back Gretchen? She had nothing to offer and I don't production liked her very much either.

Just caught up in the December 1974 episodes...bad decision writing out Margo...she should habe remained a Thorne in the sides of Alan/Toni...heck even been a wildcard once mike returned. I think 1975 would have been a good year if it had been a Margo/Toni/Alan/Mike quadangle. Short sighted of the show. Odd still seeing Ann and Carolee as friends...ill be intrigued to see the reason for Ann's change of character.

I think warren/Eden were scrapped because the two had a few scenes together when she first came to town..and the chemistry w asnt there...yet was there instantly with Cruz. With Peter holding Amy/Joe hostage at the Perkins house...we don't see Jade nor the mom...which is a shame. If I recall correctly..when Joe dies...all the focus is on Kelly's grief while Jade/Marisa aren't shown for weeks. At that point, it was apparent the Dobsons thought the Capwells were gold..and the other characters not worth anything. If you saw the first episodes, Warren was hitting on Jade and there was chemistry yet they were dropped for him with Summer.

Only positive of Mac's death was the evolution of Iris and Rachel's relationship...which always seemed to be in a hamster wheel in the 70s..and at the start of Iris' return in late 1988. After Mac's death till 1994...there were times Iris and Rachel got along...even teamed up at times especially when it came to Jake. I don't think the show would have done that had Mac lived. In an odd way, Iris would forever be haunted with hurting her daddy and never making up with him before he died. It was the one unexpected positive that Swajeski really mined to great effect.

Ringer was on the wrong network. It was a pilot for CBS but they passed because they didn't do serialized shows so CW picked up. The ratings dropped after a 2 month hiatus..and the demos skewed older then CW wanted. Nowadays it would be a hit for CW. Great show (3 season bible) wrong network and era.

In the 80s, ATWT, AW and GL all seemed to veer away from their original founding families. AW was the only one of the three to succeed in getting rid of their original founding family....while ATWT and GL had their families gutted but were repaired in the late 80s and 90s. By the end of both GL and ATWT...both the Bauers and Hughes families were shells of their former selves....while the tacky Coppers and Snyder's reign supreme (still hate that the yucky Snyder kitchen survived to the end, but not the more superior Hughes family sets).