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Thanks. Kudos to Vivica as I don't think she ever looked down on her soap work even when she was doing very well.

Andy Cohen Denies Cocaine Use & Extensive Drinking Lawsuit From Leah McSweeney (deadline.com) Leah's statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/C34ALz1tZz7/ Kathy Griffin's old claims of him offering her coke on WWHL have also popped up again.

That's also where I first saw Richard. Jamie Lee Curtis says goodbye to Richard: https://www.instagram.com/p/C35_pjyxM3M/

Richard Lewis Dead: Beloved Comic, 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' Actor Was 76 (deadline.com)

He was a monster, no matter how much the press, and many Democrats, will praise him for his decorum. I do think it's a worry, as the campaigns against Biden are so active and fruitful, but the goals they hyped up did not get the result they expected. It still doesn't bode well for winning Michigan in November, but this campaign is just a smokescreen for many of the real reasons - among them, extreme social conservatism and bigotry.

It reminds me of the odd years the Oscars would have "multi-hosts." I take it to mean they have no confidence in themselves or the films they are honoring.

More Michigan Fox News loving and/or Republican supporting "Democrats" holding hands with the media to help Trump win.

https://deadline.com/2024/02/american-sports-story-cast-tammy-blanchard-terri-hernandez-1235839929/

E. Duke Vincent Dead: 'Melrose Place,' '90210,' 'Charmed' Producer Was 91 (deadline.com) I remember seeing him on the credits of so many shows I watched in the '90s and thinking, "Wow, now that's a name."

What annoys me most is I know the media will spin this and I know that it's going to be used to get a lot of hesitant voters to go for Trump or sit out in November. In Michigan that's going to hurt.

That's about as far as I can go. Admittedly I never really felt the emotional connection to Y&R I did to the P&G soaps, but I still respect the show's history and grew up watching it, and I'm glad for the cast and crew. I'm also glad a daytime soap will still be on as the genre needs to stay alive to possibly be restarted. I just wish the show wasn't what it has been for the last 20 years.

Here we go:

As long as you don't have a problem with a very cold, plot-driven show full of men who abuse women. There is some good acting but that's about it.

I was surprised that they did have a scene where Nate asked Cain if this happened to him because of what he did to Cain and Moira. Self-awareness glimmers aside, I agree it's difficult to care about cheating stories for this reason, among many others (lack of interest in the characters, in their relationships, the rushed pacing, etc.)

Thanks for the extra info. The idea of Shana and Tess interacting is compelling - I could see them staying friends due to both being outsiders, although maybe not when Tess started going against people like Stacey. Generally I think soaps aren't the best place to tell those types of stories with kids anyway, as shown with how they were handled with Ann on AMC or Holly on GL. The UK soaps, for all their many other flaws in recent years, do seem to be better at letting mothers have the kids and still have stories and lives outside of them without the kids being killed off or written out.

I've seen a number of people, often peddled on the "mainstream" channels, who insist that it doesn't matter if Trump wins or if terrible things happen following his win because the situation in Gaza is so much worse. There is now an idea commonplace among many on the left, at least online, that all roads lead back to this one issue and any sacrifice must be made. I feel like a lot of people who are struggling mentally are being preyed on to further this narrative. This martyrdom seems to be leading to more and more toxic levels and preying on people who are struggling, like the man who self-immolated yesterday in front of the Israeli Embassy, or the man in this article. The more that these actions are cheered and validated, the more I worry about how far people are going to go:

@dc11786Thanks for the help with the date. You have a good point about Shana having more story in 1994, but I think the choice for the special needs baby made that much less likely, unless they killed off another of her kids.

The start of this has a brief glimpse of a UK ATWT airing - they must have been about two years behind. Yes, it was a real mistake to never do anything with Dee or Annie down the line. I suppose Marland may have thought they would make no sense with the later canvas, but I think it could have worked.

That's very true. Shana in an Iris role makes sense. The start of an episode during Loving's UK run - if Mike is mentioned this must be from 1985 or 1986 at the latest. Sadly, this channel has said before they don't care for soaps, so I don't see them sharing the rest of the episode.

I think what upset me at the time was, beyond how cheap and crass the show started to feel (like infamously having a lengthy sex scene between Mark and Connor in the show's 40th anniversary episode), I missed the history and tradition, the returns of former characters, etc. Choices like dumping Ellen upset me a great deal. With hindsight, I know that wasn't their fault and the show was going to be yanked in that direction no matter what, even if it still doesn't make me see their era as much better in quality (if I tried to do a full rewatch I might have a more positive opinion, as they did at least give story to the vets, and while it was somewhat criticized at the time, I think they wrapped up Mac's Alzheimer's story decently enough, especially compared to how many soaps handle this topic).