7 minutes ago, Vee said:

IIRC they have said the Hayley reveal was planned from Day 1.

If they stay do I guess but I have my doubts on that. It feels more like they pivoted. Early Hayley felt more like an unfortunate outsider that fell in love with Bill and latched onto him for stability and financial security that she never had. Not so much this black widow scamming gold digger. There’s stuff in the timeline with her relationship to the Hamilton’s that make less sense after the reveal. Like why is she a paralegal? You have to go to school for that and it doesn’t feel like she’d be able to fool Bill about her education and experience. They could have made her the secretary and that would have made more sense. Before I thought she and Naomi met in school when both were taking law classes but then they switched it to some random gym run in a year before the show began?

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3 hours ago, GLATWT88 said:

Not that I think anyone in particular from ATWT and GL would be added to the canvas, but for example Mel Bauer was a John Hopkins graduate and a nurse.

And I remember the on call physician when Anita was hospitalized with the infection, that her regular physician Dr. Bauer was out of town. I don't know why my mind thought of Rick (Ed would be retired was my 1st thought). Probably because the by the time Mel was on the canvas, I was no longer watching GL.

9 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

If they stay do I guess but I have my doubts on that. It feels more like they pivoted.

I don't see any reason to believe they'd lie about it at a point when they were still less than a year on the air. I just think some of the background timeline was wonky.

I don't think they lied either. It has been clear they had the major plotpoints planned out just through the superb foreshadowing dialogue they had those first few months. I'm still wonder if they are still going to plan a baby switch on Kat and Eva in fact due to a lot of their foreshadowing that has come to pass in other storylines in the first year.

That said...yes, they have made the timeline for some things too wonky.

4-17

Wow. Actually caught up. It's been a minute! :)

For all of my complaints over the writing the last few days, I thought this episode was a nice coda to the whole week. What plot they focused on came to some end and/or turn. Thank you, Nat.

I'll be honest. I don't want Vanessa vs Nicole to end so soon. But that didn't take away from their scenes for me. Adults coming to some kind of understanding. And we got a flashback to how they met. Adorable.

So that was the point of Babygate? lol. I was talking about how Dani/Andre was too background and far away from the Hayley storyline. But great to see Babygate is the way to get them back into that orbit. Okay, Show, I see you. I actually enjoyed the Dani/Bill scenes even though it was annoying at the same time cuz Dani playing with fire again.

The fallout from Jacob's beatdown was okay. At least Naomi knows. But that is probably only going to add to her stress.

And there were some C plots. I thought it was cute in a Soaps 101 way the Eva/Izaiah/Kat scenes cuz like I said ever...there is so much potential in that rivalry and those two girls shouldn't be getting along anytime soon. Meanwhile, the start of a Vernon plot while Anita's story appears to be coming to a break is just heartbreaking. I don't want anything happening to Vernon. At all.

If I recall, Hayley mentioned at the start of the series that she was an orphan and didn't have family... and a good con artist researches their mark and adjusts based on what they find out. So I could have seen Hayley playing up the poor little orphan girl routine because we all know the Dupree's are a gullible bunch that tries to help the little person because they have so much to give.

Plus, she probably observed that Dani and Bill had nothing in common.. and she probably pretended she was into law in order to strike up a friendship with Naomi, and Naomi probably suggested Hayley work at her father Bill's law firm to help get her foot in the door.. and Hayley stated she wanted to become a paralegal because she was into law, etc. And it wouldn't take too long to become a paralegal.

In regards to the paralegal position, my late mom was a paralegal and she started out at the company as a legal secretary and the law firm she worked at paid for her schooling. My mom opted for the associate degree route of 2 years, but there is a quicker track for becoming a paralegal.

Quickest way, you can get hired as a legal assistant/secretary, take classes online and/or at night, get more duties, and once you complete the certificate program... can be promoted. The certificate program timeline can range from 3 months to a year and you can get promoted if you can prove your ability to handle the duties of a paralegal.

Hayley could have followed that route and I also recall during the sexual harassment suit that one of the defendants had complained that she was passed over for the paralegal job because she wouldn't sleep with that one individual (who got fired by Bill) and it was given to Hayley.. even though she was more qualified/more experienced than Hayley.

At the same time, there was one scene between Tomas and Caroline in regards to how odd it was that Hayley broke protocol on providing paperwork to Lynette.. and they had mentioned how by the book Hayley was before she got promoted to paralegal.

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26 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

If I recall, Hayley mentioned at the start of the series that she was an orphan and didn't have family... and a good con artist researches their mark and adjusts based on what they find out. So I could have seen Hayley playing up the poor little orphan girl routine because we all know the Dupree's are a gullible bunch that tries to help the little person because they have so much to give.

Plus, she probably observed that Dani and Bill had nothing in common.. and she probably pretended she was into law in order to strike up a friendship with Naomi, and Naomi probably suggested Hayley work at her father Bill's law firm to help get her foot in the door.. and Hayley stated she wanted to become a paralegal because she was into law, etc. And it wouldn't take too long to become a paralegal.

In regards to the paralegal position, my late mom was a paralegal and she started out at the company as a legal secretary and the law firm she worked at paid for her schooling. My mom opted for the associate degree route of 2 years, but there is a quicker track for becoming a paralegal.

Quickest way, you can get hired as a legal assistant/secretary, take classes online and/or at night, get more duties, and once you complete the certificate program... can be promoted. The certificate program timeline can range from 3 months to a year and you can get promoted if you can prove your ability to handle the duties of a paralegal.

Hayley could have followed that route and I also recall during the sexual harassment suit that one of the defendants had complained that she was passed over for the paralegal job because she wouldn't sleep with that one individual (who got fired by Bill) and it was given to Hayley.. even though she was more qualified/more experienced than Hayley.

At the same time, there was one scene between Tomas and Caroline in regards to how odd it was that Hayley broke protocol on providing paperwork to Lynette.. and they had mentioned how by the book Hayley was before she got promoted to paralegal.

And what you say about becoming a paralegal does fit within the timeline so thank you.