3 hours ago, Cat said:

Wait a minute..... wasn't Matt Clark originally played by the lush 90s babes that were Eddie Cibrian and Rick Hearst? 👀

He was.

 

3 hours ago, Khan said:

I'm sorry, but didn't Roger Howarth also play a rapist (Franco) on GH?  Regardless, he must be the most typecast actor in daytime history, lol.

He did.

 

The actor first collaborated with Y&R’s Executive Producer/Head Writer Josh Griffith when Griffith was co-head writer at OLTL in the early 1990s and says, “I trust Josh completely.”

A choice! They haven't worked together in over 20 years (and very briefly the last time) and Griffith is not the writer he once was.

I find it crazy SOD made zero mention of Howarth's very public issues with playing a rapist and didn't ask how he feels to be doing it again.

27 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

 

A choice! They haven't worked together in over 20 years (and very briefly the last time) and Griffith is not the writer he once was.

I find it crazy SOD made zero mention of Howarth's very public issues with playing a rapist and didn't ask how he feels to be doing it again.

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2 hours ago, Vee said:

I find it crazy SOD made zero mention of Howarth's very public issues with playing a rapist and didn't ask how he feels to be doing it again.

The way I remember it was he didn’t like Todd being romanticized. He didn’t want to play anything that involved Todd being sexy, or that leaned into Todd not being at the very least an anti-hero. He, like Tony Geary, were disturbed by fans screaming rape me at him, or in the fan mail he got. I appreciated that about him at OLTL. He fought to honor that original story as best he could for all his runs.

Edited October 31Oct 31 by titan1978

8 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

The way I remember it was he didn’t like Todd being romanticized. He didn’t want to play anything that involved Todd being sexy, or that leaned into Todd not being at the very least an anti-hero. He, like Tony Geary, were disturbed by fans screaming rape me at him, or in the fan mail he got. I appreciated that about him at OLTL. He fought to honor that original story as best he could for all his runs.

Howarth was very vocal and conflicted about it for many years onscreen and off and it at times led to him lampooning the material and shutting down, phoning it in. (Which is another reason the Trevor St. John recast was accepted, as TSJ initially was very committed and intense - until he began phoning it in and fúcking around with his performance worse than Roger ever did, IMO.) But RH seemed to find peace with the character when he returned in 2011 and gave it his all, recommitting to the work from then on. He openly said at that time he learned to take the dark emotions associated with his characters less seriously, which I think was healthy for him.

But Howarth also said in a non-soap media podcast interview maybe ten years ago, which revisited the rape trial saga, that he had been looking for any way out of OLTL as late as 2003, and jumped at the chance when a colleague gave him Chris Goutman's number at ATWT. Which he did famously defect to.

I am surprised he'd take on this kind of role given how the issues with Todd still seemed real for him post-OLTL, but it is a paycheck and he has said he tries to bring less baggage to his work in recent years. (How else could you play Franco?) I don't think he's phoned it in since his return to ABC in the 2010s, however limited he is and however lousy his post-Todd characters were. I think he just compartmentalizes.

Edited October 31Oct 31 by Vee

What's the expectation in 2025?  Roger Howarth is going to do promotion for Y&R and trash the character's history?  Or mention that he hates playing predators? That would be foolish.

I don't know anyone who realistically expects RH to give a revealing interview about why he chose to take a limited-run acting role in this economy?  And any arguments to the contrary, I consider silly internet outrage about nothing.

Edited November 1Nov 1 by j swift

7 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

The leads on the show should literally be Noah, Fen, Theo, Summer, Kyle, Claire, Mariah, Tessa, Holden, Abby, Chance (if not killed off), Lily, Nate, and Devon. 

They should also be starting to build up the umpteen hundred Newman tweens, too. 

This issue with Y&R is that there TOO many veterans. A lot of them can go. Seriously. I mean the show was built premise of youth, and there is no youth really driving story on this show at all. 

It is just a mess. Again, I don't see how this show is going to survive once Eric Braden, Melody Thomas Scott, and Peter Bergman are gone. It's already running low on fumes since Jeanne Cooper passed and Jess Walton retired. 

I'd happily wave goodbye to Peter Bergman, but I do think there will be a loss with MTS and Eric (even if Victor has never been a favorite character of mine). The biggest problem is that so many of the people who should be taking over for them just can't fill that role - Case, Stafford, Morrow, etc.

2 hours ago, dragonflies said:

 

Pleaseeeeeeeeee😂😂😂

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I'd happily wave goodbye to Peter Bergman, but I do think there will be a loss with MTS and Eric (even if Victor has never been a favorite character of mine). The biggest problem is that so many of the people who should be taking over for them just can't fill that role - Case, Stafford, Morrow, etc.

And that's where I feel the issue lies. The show has written itself into a corner when it comes to Nikki/Victor that people won't be able to imagine Y&R without either of them. I honestly think when they retire that Y&R might have a good year or 2 survival rate after that occurs. That's why I said earlier, CBS needs a backup soap(s) to fill that void. 

17 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

And that's where I feel the issue lies. The show has written itself into a corner when it comes to Nikki/Victor that people won't be able to imagine Y&R without either of them. I honestly think when they retire that Y&R might have a good year or 2 survival rate after that occurs. That's why I said earlier, CBS needs a backup soap(s) to fill that void. 

They surprised me with BtG but I think that may be it for new soaps. I hope I'm wrong. Either way, Y&R is definitely just coasting on timeslot and nostalgia. 

3 hours ago, j swift said:

I don't know anyone who realistically expects RH to give a revealing interview about why he chose to take a limited-run acting role in this economy?  And any arguments to the contrary, I consider silly internet outrage about nothing.

Hello again! It's because the soap mags have engaged Howarth about this topic several times over the decades in very candid interviews, and because it was for ages one of the few known media facts about him in the many years he explicitly never gave interviews after leaving OLTL for the first time in '95. This only began to change when he moved to ATWT in 2003 and played Paul Ryan, and only really took hold when he went to GH and only after he took on the role of Franco in 2013. It's part of the package where Howarth is concerned.

This is not a confrontational, accusatory, verboten or uncouth topic, it's one that has followed Howarth through almost his entire daytime career. And it's a point of curiosity. He gave an outside media (non-soap) interview about it around a decade ago and was clearly still uncomfortable with having popularized a rapist. Any soap journalist left worth the salt would at least say 'your history with playing Todd Manning is well-documented. What made you comfortable taking on a role like this one again?' But there are no decent soap journalists left.

Edited November 1Nov 1 by Vee

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

They surprised me with BtG but I think that may be it for new soaps. I hope I'm wrong. Either way, Y&R is definitely just coasting on timeslot and nostalgia. 

Nope. You're on point. It is time. I hate to say it. I think we've gotten all we can get from Y&R AND B&B. Honestly, I'd settle for 3 new, thirty minute soaps with BTG being the only hour soap.