I have never been a big Lulu champion or fan, but I don't get why people find her and Dante so unlikeable and smug?  Dante was OTT with the Gio stuff and Lulu can be pushy and obnoxious.  They still have every right to protect their son from Obrecht and Britt.  They are dangerous criminals that violated Dante and Lulu's rights and stole their embryo.  

The dialogue and attitude they are giving Lulu and Dante doesn't bother me because I feel like it's just an obvious attempt to make us feel bad for poor, misunderstood Britt.  

As far as the stall with Lulu/Dante as a couple it is strange.  Sam's been dead for almost a year and Lulu/Dante don't appear to be any closer to rekindling a relationship.  Neither character has been positioned or tested with anyone else so there isn't a reason to at least start building the romance back up slowly.

7 minutes ago, carolineg said:

As far as the stall with Lulu/Dante as a couple it is strange.  Sam's been dead for almost a year and Lulu/Dante don't appear to be any closer to rekindling a relationship.  Neither character has been positioned or tested with anyone else so there isn't a reason to at least start building the romance back up slowly.

It's because BLQ/Setton are the priority for Frank IMO. Dante and Lulu, a pre-FV popular couple, are incompatible with his needs and version of GH when they should be leading story. But they can't, because he wants Amanda Setton doing that. So they play second fiddle to her focus and Lulu is beaten up as a character to service his priorities (including, atm, Britt).

It's not that BLQ can't or shouldn't lead story too, or that Lulu doesn't have many of these character traits dating back to Julie Berman. It's that the primary agenda is clearly for major story in this age range to be given to BLQ first and others second, and a lot of her story is milquetoast. While Lulu, a core fan favorite character played by a star actress, is treated like the heavy or a support player.

They'll probably play with Dante and Brook Lynn (something I would've been open to at another time) and then reluctantly rush a Lulu/Dante reunion in 6-12 months, possibly while cutting one of 'em lol. That is the Frank way when something else doesn't work.

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2 minutes ago, Vee said:

It's because BLQ/Setton are the priority for Frank IMO. Dante and Lulu, a pre-FV popular couple, are incompatible with his needs when they should be leading story. But they can't, because he wants Amanda Setton doing that. So they play second fiddle to her focus and Lulu is beaten up as a character to service his priorities (including, atm, Britt).

They'll probably play with Dante and Brook Lynn (something I would've been open to at another time) and then reluctantly rush a Lulu/Dante reunion in 6-12 months, possibly while cutting one of 'em lol. That is the Frank way when something else doesn't work.

I thought the show was angling for Dante/Brook Lynn with the Gio situation, but Dante and BLQ couldn't appear less interested in one another romantically.

I know Frank loves BLQ/Setton for whatever reasons, but with Maxie/Sasha gone I don't see why Lulu can't lead stories too?  Lulu has several options for story so she doesn't even have to be heavily in Brook Lynn's orbit if Frank is worried about Setton losing focus.

It's very silly to spend MONTHS looking for the right Lulu, getting a great recast in Havins, killing off Sam, and then not reuniting Dante and Lulu.  They aren't even any obstacles in their way like other partners or misunderstandings.  

Where's outback?

24 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I thought the show was angling for Dante/Brook Lynn with the Gio situation, but Dante and BLQ couldn't appear less interested in one another romantically.

I think they're playing with going there as the Gio situation evolves and Chase hopefully sleeps with Willow. I have a deep fear Lulu will get fobbed off on 

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Ryan Paevey

for awhile while Kirsten is gone. Knowing FV, he will grudgingly put Lante together when he is out of options and then either cut someone or more likely put them in B or C-story.

I think FV views many big modern (as in, post-'90s) couples from before his tenure as a threat to his vision of the show, unless he absolutely needs them to hold an audience or favors one of the actors. I wouldn't generally think that conspiratorially but it's proven out more than once. Guza II had a host of popular couples, for better or for worse; while I was not a fan of the prior iterations of Lulu and Dante, the original actors were popular together, and Alexa is a popular ABC Daytime vet. But neither character is one that Frank has ever favored as a major lead since taking over, and focusing on them would give less time over to actors he prefers.

It's just malpractice to see both of them wasted this way. It infuriates me, as much as the LNL2 situation did.

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Does Lucy have 2 daughter's?

Yes, Serena and Christina.

Never even heard Christina mentioned?

She was adopted on Port Charles.

12 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Yeah sorry, in total disagreement. She literally stole their child. Why would they ever be nice to Britt or Obrecht? And their kid is a total dumbass.

I agree with you. In no world do Britt and Obrecht come off as the good guys because Lulu and Dante are "smug."

Don't get me started with "sensitive, thoughtful" Rocco, who doesn't have any of that sensitivity and thoughtfulness for his damn parents.

18 minutes ago, Vee said:

She was adopted on Port Charles.

Does she still exist or did they just say that doesn't count?

1 hour ago, jasonminer1974 said:

Does she still exist or did they just say that doesn't count?

We don't know. There's no clear answer either way. Except Alexis did mention Lucy's daughters in 2013 during the confusing Port Charles crossover story with Caleb and John McBain. As far as Wikipedia is concerned she's still canon and AFAIC she still exists (and should be brought on, which they allegedly may have tried to do in the 2010s).

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They having been laying it on thick with Obrect since she came back. A tour around PC, being picked on by mean old Lulu and Dante, bonding with Anna and Rocco, crying about her Britta. It has been ridiculous. She and Britt are not misunderstood victims of circumstance. Sometimes people are actually abrasive in the real world, and it’s not covering up a soft, gooey center. And Obrect loves Caesar Faison, and was part of many villainous schemes.

The show still has a bias problem. The only good that came out of the last couple of years was that a couple of Frank’s pets got forced out. We run the risk of all the good work they have done in the last six months being quickly unraveled to prop up another pair of people Frank just wants to work with.

Also- KT asked to be killed off because she was no longer going to be paired with the lead male of the show (at the time) because Burton wouldn’t abide by the corporate vaccine mandate. She wanted to die in a major way so that she wouldn’t be able to just come back. She publicly asked for her job back a year ago and said they turned her down. Now they let her return. And Vanessa Marcil, one of the few actual daytime stars left with audience pull and a fan favorite on GH has never returned under Valentini except as a glorified guest? Make it make sense to me.

31 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

The show still has a bias problem. The only good that came out of the last couple of years was that a couple of Frank’s pets got forced out. We run the risk of all the good work they have done in the last six months being quickly unraveled to prop up another pair of people Frank just wants to work with.

It's worse than just Britt and Obrecht. I think this whole story and their returns are largely a means to an end because all other plans for Steve Burton have flopped and they are desperate to justify his return and contract - from what little we know of FV, I suspect he may have tired of KT's antics long ago. But she fulfills a function for Jason (and Britt is a FV/RC creation), so they're going all in again.

What unnerves me more is the larger picture: Britt, Obrecht, Valentin, Charlotte all back along with

 

talking mineral Ryan Paevey, who Frank and Ron consistently lusted after while he had all the gravitas of aluminum siding.

It just feels like sliding back into a slew of old favorites or personal projects that are either grotesque or feel outdated and tired. And as others have noted I still don't think Britt will last - KT is too weak as a lead, and the Rocco mess is making her wildly unsympathetic to a huge swath of the audience despite the show's overbearing intentions (see also: Kristina, Natalia, etc.)

All that plus not frontburning Lulu and Dante with these star actors, or Emma and Gio vs. Joss and her himbo handler - it's just crazy work to me. The wrong priorities. Emma, Gio, Lulu and Dante should be getting this heavy story and airtime.

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8 hours ago, carolineg said:

I thought the show was angling for Dante/Brook Lynn with the Gio situation, but Dante and BLQ couldn't appear less interested in one another romantically.

I know Frank loves BLQ/Setton for whatever reasons, but with Maxie/Sasha gone I don't see why Lulu can't lead stories too?  Lulu has several options for story so she doesn't even have to be heavily in Brook Lynn's orbit if Frank is worried about Setton losing focus.

It's very silly to spend MONTHS looking for the right Lulu, getting a great recast in Havins, killing off Sam, and then not reuniting Dante and Lulu.  They aren't even any obstacles in their way like other partners or misunderstandings.  

I never really got a sense they were going for Dante/Brook Lynn, even though it was a story I felt would have written itself. Brook Lynn falling in love with the idea of the life she never had with Dante and Gio, and this being fueled by her feud with Lulu, leading her to scheme as Chase feels more and more left out. 

For as much as Frank may favor Amanda Setton, he doesn't really do anything near as interesting with the character as he could.

3 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I agree with you. In no world do Britt and Obrecht come off as the good guys because Lulu and Dante are "smug."

Don't get me started with "sensitive, thoughtful" Rocco, who doesn't have any of that sensitivity and thoughtfulness for his damn parents.

I can actually see where Rocco is coming from if the writing supported it more. Lulu was out of his life for half a decade. When she returned, she was focused on her other child, then on her hatred of Brook Lynn, not him. His other mother figure, Sam, died unexpectedly not even a year ago. Wanting to be a part of this ridiculous world of Britt and Obrecht and their family tree could interest him, especially as he has already grown up with a very messy dynamic with Sonny and his many children and grandchildren - he's already been trained to be in this type of world.