17 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Jizzer is used on Twi/X. Admittedly I'm not there a lot but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of haters & agenda driven statements. My post was not an accusation. It was a rant. The part about Jake is taken from things these people say. 

I agree that the show is not killing Carly this week. That doesn't mean we don't watch the dramatic elements unfold. Jason & Danny have an excellent relationship but it would've been weird if he'd headed there instead of to the hospital.

I have no idea what was supposedly word salad but when I make an apology it is genuine. 

Donna you can google word salad like I assume you did the word parlance.

An apology is admitting you are sorry or wrong.  You are literally doubling down on a Carly/Jason agenda when I actually like both characters.  If you want to waste your own time you can go and read all my posts for the last decade and I was pretty neutral on all the Jason/Liz/Sam wars. And I am one of the few people that don't have you on block here.

Edited March 20Mar 20 by carolineg

18 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Donna you can google word salad like I assume you did the word parlance.

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18 minutes ago, carolineg said:

If you want to waste your own time you can go and read all my posts for the last decade and I was pretty neutral on all the Jason/Liz/Sam wars. And I am one of the few people that don't have you on block here.

I've seen you be quite neutral, myself.

15 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Donna you can google word salad like I assume you did the word parlance.

An apology is admitting you are sorry or wrong.  You are literally doubling down on a Carly/Jason agenda when I actually like both characters.  If you want to waste your own time you can go and read all my posts for the last decade and I was pretty neutral on all the Jason/Liz/Sam wars. And I am one of the few people that don't have you on block here.

No, I didn't look up any word on dictionary.com. I knew what the words mean. And, yes, I did say I was sorry & why.

I am a Carly fan. I am a Jason fan. I am a Jarly fan. I make no apology for any of those fan opinions. 

My Ignore files are almost a dozen people. Obviously you are not in them.

Clearly you object to some things that I do not see in the same way. Right now I am not saying them over & over because that would be stupid.

 

33 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I am a Carly fan. I am a Jason fan. I am a Jarly fan. I make no apology for any of those fan opinions. 

Clearly you object to some things that I do not see in the same way. Right now I am not saying them over & over because that would be stupid.

 

But you are still saying you apologize for offending anyone and you don't care.  Go wild with your opinions, but you loosely putting a disclaimer or a deemed apology on your posts doesn't make it right.  It's saying a bunch of offensive stuff and then saying I hope I don't offend anyone when you will.  Read the room-you've gotten away with a lot of awful things here and I am sure you know the one thing that still really upsets me.

I really don’t know why you guys still respond to that woman.

4 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I really don’t know why you guys still respond to that woman.

I have already fell into a shame spiral for taking that bait....

1. I do care.

2. I don't think I get away with squat. No, i think things are held against me.

3. Possibly the most egregious  wrong thing I have ever done. Not here. 

Oh, never mind. You're not listening, anyway.

And, I have laid down NO BAIT. 

Edited March 20Mar 20 by Contessa Donatella

Yeah, take Liz out of any romantic pairings. There are plenty of bullshit things they have done with her that have nothing to do with Jason or Carly. They spent years building up a special relationship with her boys, who were decently cast, and misjudged the audience on preferring Carly’s children and the men Liz was paired with over her. Joss was played as more important than Cam. Jake is gone for no reason. And Aiden is miscast, and I agree with @Vee- it is because they didn’t want to tell the story they had dropped seeds for since he was little with anyone that looked younger than 20. They had a grounded family dynamic that worked, and stopped caring about it when they couldn’t use her and the boys to prop Roger anymore, like they were a set where his character lived and not a fan favorite vet in her own right.

They had a real chance to do something fresh for American soaps when he was being bullied by Charlotte for being gay and they were all little kids. The adults were having good takes for their characters, creating natural conflict. But this is GH and Valentini is somehow allergic to natural conflict ever being displayed.

I have been barely watching the show since BTG started. More than anything I am sad to see GH this hollow. They have all the pieces still in place, this isn’t like Guiding Light near the end that was decimated of longterm characters. But it feels hollow to me anyway. My flurry of posts in the Classics thread just makes me want to dip out of todays show for a bit.

Edited March 20Mar 20 by titan1978

33 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I really don’t know why you guys still respond to that woman.

I usually don't. I've had her on Ignore for years. Usually I only see her when someone quotes her mess and rarely acknowledge her, but certain things just set you off. She's gotten away with a lot more than just this, and we all know it.

7 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

And Aiden is miscast, and I agree with @Vee- it is because they didn’t want to tell the story they had dropped seeds for since he was little with anyone that looked younger than 20. 

They're not even telling a story now, lol.

I will say I don't really blame Frank in this instance. Having lgbt teens has always been dicey for soaps, and we are in an increasingly anti-gay period of our country's history. There are laws being proposed that would make us like Russia. The UK, which is often painted as more tolerant than the US, had Emmerdale (like GH, on a mainstream television channel) telling a gay story with a boy who was played by an age-appropriate actor. When he was given a love interest, the show was accused of grooming, even though the other boy was the same age and it was nothing more than the usual tale of one of the boys not being sure of his feelings. They quickly wrote the other boy out and the main boy barely appears now. 

The mistake was in ever telling the story in this climate. I do not believe it was ever going to get through. And truth be told I do not believe GH was ever the show that was going to tell this story, as the Labine era many rightfully revere was only about 2-3 years out of 60+. Lucas' story in the '00s was, somehow, a high water mark.

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

The mistake was in ever telling the story in this climate. I do not believe it was ever going to get through.

I don't agree with that. I would feel the same about any show or network that dropped the story out of cowardice. At any time in the last 30 years.

1 minute ago, Vee said:

I don't agree with that. I would feel the same about any show or network that dropped the story out of cowardice. At any time in the last 30 years.

I suppose I would too, but I do think things are different now, and they are just going to get worse. I'm not going to act like the story would have happened if this was ten years ago or fifteen years ago - my guess is anything that did just got through because of the strike - but we're heading into a period where I won't be surprised if within a year or two none of the remaining soaps have lgbt characters. 

That is probably not for this thread anymore, I admit.

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That is probably not for this thread anymore, I admit.

Nah, it's more relevant than us dragging Donna. Which I intend to continue to do.

But I do think the fact that they're going to get worse is why this kind of storytelling only becomes more important.

Edited March 20Mar 20 by Vee

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I have already fell into a shame spiral for taking that bait....

I need you to take a similar spiral for your Sonny apologizing 😂😂

40 minutes ago, Vee said:

They're not even telling a story now, lol.

True!