I enjoyed the Lucky/Liz/Ric scenes. 

Marco is adorable and his scenes with Lucas were well done.

I can't wait for Willow to discover what a complete fool she's been.

I hate Lulu little brat of a daughter.

 

The way Charlotte constantly says "papa" makes me want to throw something at my tv.

35 minutes ago, carolineg said:

The way Charlotte constantly says "papa" makes me want to throw something at my tv.

Same; like, she's 16.... the "cuteness" (which never existed) is gone.

3 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Same; like, she's 16.... the "cuteness" (which never existed) is gone.

It comes off almost creepy.  Honestly the Valentin/Charlotte relationship is just odd.  I don't know exactly the right term to use, but he has Charlotte so warped in the head that she thinks Valentin needs her at all times.  It's not incestuous, but the manipulation is strong there.

They could barely graze pen to paper and end this mess tomorrow. Charlotte and Lulu discover she's not a Spencer or Lulu's daughter, that it was all Valentin's machinations and off she and Papa go with Valentin headed to supermax prison. But no, Frank must keep Billy Joel at all costs, and Charlotte (allegedly a Spencer) is the legacy buy-in to the audience to allow him to remain. I think she's always been very deliberately intended as that.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by Vee

I’m always ready for her annoying ass to bust into his:

 

16 minutes ago, carolineg said:

It comes off almost creepy.  Honestly the Valentin/Charlotte relationship is just odd.  I don't know exactly the right term to use, but he has Charlotte so warped in the head that she thinks Valentin needs her at all times.  It's not incestuous, but the manipulation is strong there.

I feel like he's coddled her via gaslighting. I really do.

12 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I’m always ready for her annoying ass to bust into his:

Don't give them any kind of ideas.

Valentin's relationship with Charlotte has read as gaslighting/grooming to me for a long time. But it's also because JPS honestly comes off creepy onscreen period IMO.

39 minutes ago, Vee said:

They could barely graze pen to paper and end this mess tomorrow. Charlotte and Lulu discover she's not a Spencer or Lulu's daughter, that it was all Valentin's machinations and off she and Papa go with Valentin headed to supermax prison. But no, Frank must keep Billy Joel at all costs, and Charlotte (allegedly a Spencer) is the legacy buy-in to the audience to allow him to remain. I think she's always been very deliberately intended as that.

100%.  The show goes out of its way to keep these two when there is truly an easy way out to get rid of both of them.  They don't add to the show.  Lulu doesn't need a teenage daughter that was formed in a test tube.  And, yes, JPS always comes off creepy to me too.

Grooming/Gaslighting were both words I was contemplating in my head, but I know some girls are just closer to their fathers than I am.   Their relationship is very strange though.

13 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Lulu doesn't need a teenage daughter that was formed in a test tube. 

And IIRC that whole situation was an outgrowth/rewrite out of something I strongly suspect Carlivati had planned there.

In RC's later years RKK's Stavros became inexplicably obsessed with Lulu as his new bride a la Laura. He tried repeatedly to sleep with and/or impregnate her; I think at one point he tried to get her eggs himself to create their 'child.' At that same time Robin was being held prisoner at or around the Crichton-Clark clinic that Dante, Lulu, Teakwood Nathan West, etc. busted up when Stavros finally died again, I believe in late '14. It was a very silly September-October(?) action caper that was comically executed. They never knew Robin (or "Jason"/Drew) was there.

Given Ron's adoration for weird baby swaps/surrogacy capers - something that's only gotten worse on this show since - I absolutely believed, then and now, that his long plan was for Kimberly McCullough to return again with the big reveal that Robin was now pregnant, having been forced to carry Lulu and Stavros' genetic rapespawn. Whoooaaa, soapy goodness, cries Daytime Confidential!

Anyway, small favors it didn't happen. But Charlotte did, and in that story choice I strongly suspect the later writing teams were riffing on what RC had planned.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by Vee

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

And IIRC that whole situation was an outgrowth/rewrite out of something I strongly suspect Carlivati had planned there.

In RC's later years RKK's Stavros became inexplicably obsessed with Lulu as his new bride a la Laura. He tried repeatedly to sleep with and/or impregnate her; I think at one point he tried to get her eggs himself to create their 'child.' At that same time Robin was being held prisoner at or around the Crichton-Clark clinic that Dante, Lulu, Teakwood Nathan West, etc. busted up when Stavros finally died again, I believe in late '14. It was a very silly September-October(?) action caper that was comically executed. They never knew Robin (or "Jason"/Drew) was there.

Given Ron's adoration for weird baby swaps/surrogacy capers - something that's only gotten worse on this show since - I absolutely believed, then and now, that his long plan was for Kimberly McCullough to return again with the big reveal that Robin was now pregnant, having been forced to carry Lulu and Stavros' genetic rapespawn. Whoooaaa, soapy goodness, cries Daytime Confidential!

Anyway, small favors it didn't happen. But Charlotte did, and in that story choice I strongly suspect the later writing teams were riffing on what RC had planned.

All of that speculation weirdly makes more sense lol.

I never really got why Valentin needed Lulu's embryo/eggs specifically.  He hasn't shown any romantic interest in her that I recall.  That was all Stavros.  I am sure it was some sort of larger Cassadine/Spencer plan but zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

The show also goes back and forth on Charlotte as a character.  Wasn't she always a little psycho?  Wasn't Willow her teacher that noted she bullied other kids?   Charlotte isn't misunderstood-she's kinda evil.  Go with that show and kill her off or just make her not Lulu's anymore.

 

7 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I never really got why Valentin needed Lulu's embryo/eggs specifically.  He hasn't shown any romantic interest in her that I recall.  That was all Stavros.  I am sure it was some sort of larger Cassadine/Spencer plan but zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

I honestly think it was all just reverse-engineered from those old, equally gross discarded story plans with Stavros to cement Valentin/JPS on the show. That's it.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

The show also goes back and forth on Charlotte as a character.  Wasn't she always a little psycho?  Wasn't Willow her teacher that noted she bullied other kids?   Charlotte isn't misunderstood-she's kinda evil.  Go with that show and kill her off or just make her not Lulu's anymore.

Charlotte Cassadine as Port Charles' answer to Rhoda Penmark.  Man, that's a chilling thought, lol.

32 minutes ago, Vee said:

And IIRC that whole situation was an outgrowth/rewrite out of something I strongly suspect Carlivati had planned there.

In RC's later years RKK's Stavros became inexplicably obsessed with Lulu as his new bride a la Laura. He tried repeatedly to sleep with and/or impregnate her; I think at one point he tried to get her eggs himself to create their 'child.' At that same time Robin was being held prisoner at or around the Crichton-Clark clinic that Dante, Lulu, Teakwood Nathan West, etc. busted up when Stavros finally died again, I believe in late '14. It was a very silly September-October(?) action caper that was comically executed. They never knew Robin (or "Jason"/Drew) was there.

Given Ron's adoration for weird baby swaps/surrogacy capers - something that's only gotten worse on this show since - I absolutely believed, then and now, that his long plan was for Kimberly McCullough to return again with the big reveal that Robin was now pregnant, having been forced to carry Lulu and Stavros' genetic rapespawn. Whoooaaa, soapy goodness, cries Daytime Confidential!

Anyway, small favors it didn't happen. But Charlotte did, and in that story choice I strongly suspect the later writing teams were riffing on what RC had planned.

I was watching regularly at that time so I did find it weird when I came back that Valentin had basically done what Stavros was planning to do. But Stavros was actually interested in Lulu.

I thought Helena had something to do with it?