4 minutes ago, Jdee43 said:

If they are not going to kill him off, they should at least do a "who shot Drew" story. It's all right there, but with these writers..

I was surprised that these plot driven writers actually took a little  time to try and do some character work with Willow, trying to explain her behavior and give her a POV. The actress did step up as much as she could, but she's still a bit limited. I just wish her and all the actors at GH would stay away from the crying!!! Being teary-eyed does not mean good acting!!!

Well, I must say the tears in the eyes lately at least with both Carly & Jason have been very well received by me. Anna, however, has exceeded her lifetime quota. Finola is done & then some. Totally agree about Willow & her reaching what I call an introductory level of self-awareness. I was shocked! I did not realize these writers could shock me. They get credit for that. As for the actress's abilities, I have a feeling she is up to a great deal more than they give her. Just a guess. 

The thing about Cameron Mathison is that prior pretty much everyone disliked him but tolerated him. NOW, of course, he is about 400% more interesting but still it's a love to hate thing. I'm  not at all sure about his shelf life? Do we imagine that if we turned him over & looked at the back of his neck, there's a "SELL BY date?" I think so. 

19 minutes ago, Vee said:

Erasing Willow and Drew from the show overnight is a perfect way to get rid of any actual interesting storyline left on this show. I may not like them as people but it's the only thing currently going for GH plot-wise. It's messy and reasonably entertaining soap. The same would go for a Who Shot/Killed Drew murder plot, it works.

For me, Chad Duell's exit as Michael kind of buzz-killed the storyline for me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Chad is boring on a good day, it's when he's still entertaining that's rare. They can recast Michael any time, I'm not interested in FV's loyalty oath. In the meantime there is plenty of dirt for full bitch Willow or Drew to get up to.

Yesterday it made me mad that Tracy seemed to think that if not for her, meaning Carly, that AJ somehow would have been this upstanding citizen or some idiocy like that. AJ, in his essence was NOT in any way the fault of Carly. Let that sink in for a minute.

Loving Jane Elliott this week

So are we getting Emma/Gio

38 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

For me, Chad Duell's exit as Michael kind of buzz-killed the storyline for me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I feel the opposite. Because if he was not incapacitated we would not have gotten Drew manipulating the issue. Michael being injured gave us Nina trying to play mediator and being upset that Willow gave all the credit to Drew. Carly and Sonny vs Willow, Drew, and Tracy. And Jason making decisions based on more than just what Carly wants, including leaning into the Q family. The swing back to Alexis wanting to protect Sam’s child against Drew. And Willow being willing to stand against Carly and Sonny. And this is all before we get to pregnant Sasha. Everybody confronting Willow or Drew has been very entertaining to me.

This is the kind of messy, complicated stuff we should have been seeing for months. It could be written with more complexity, but this is truly IMO the best material this team  is capable of. Much like what happened with Nina and Mulcahey too- I don’t even like the characters at the center of this, Willow or Drew, all that much. But this is good soap.

1 minute ago, titan1978 said:

I feel the opposite. Because if he was not incapacitated we would not have gotten Drew manipulating the issue. Michael being injured gave us Nina trying to play mediator and being upset that Willow gave all the credit to Drew. Carly and Sonny vs Willow, Drew, and Tracy. And Jason making decisions based on more than just what Carly wants, including leaning into the Q family. The swing back to Alexis wanting to protect Sam’s child against Drew. And Willow being willing to stand against Carly and Sonny. And this is all before we get to pregnant Sasha. Everybody confronting Willow or Drew has been very entertaining to me.

The manipulation could have come from Nina's side, though, as from her POV, it would have been her encouraging Willow to take a stand against Carly/Sonny, etc. That's the sense I got in those scenes with Martin/Nina; instead, it went to Willow's lover.

I've just found myself suffering through episodes daily. It's a dread.

2 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I feel the opposite. Because if he was not incapacitated we would not have gotten Drew manipulating the issue. Michael being injured gave us Nina trying to play mediator and being upset that Willow gave all the credit to Drew. Carly and Sonny vs Willow, Drew, and Tracy. And Jason making decisions based on more than just what Carly wants, including leaning into the Q family. The swing back to Alexis wanting to protect Sam’s child against Drew. And Willow being willing to stand against Carly and Sonny. And this is all before we get to pregnant Sasha. Everybody confronting Willow or Drew has been very entertaining to me.

This is the kind of messy, complicated stuff we should have been seeing for months. It could be written with more complexity, but this is truly IMO the best material this team  is capable of. Much like what happened with Nina and Mulcahey too- I don’t even like the characters at the center of this, Willow or Drew, all that much. But this is good soap.

In fact,  I totally agree. At first when I saw where it seemed they were going, I admit I was not enthused. I figured in trying to quickly fashion an exit for Chad that they were about to create a gigantic problem. BUT NO! Actually, they've crafted an excellent batch of soapy messy goodness. I mean who knew they had this in them? 

 

13 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Yesterday it made me mad that Tracy seemed to think that if not for her, meaning Carly, that AJ somehow would have been this upstanding citizen or some idiocy like that. AJ, in his essence was NOT in any way the fault of Carly. Let that sink in for a minute.

Tracy always knew AJ was troubled, but what she likely meant was Carly did cost him his sobriety when she was trying to conceal Michael’s paternity, and then proceeded to cut off any relationship he could have with his son, but then also proceeded to also have said son in constant danger because she somehow thought the protection of being with a mob boss was safer for him. Not to mention, he was directly responsible for AJ’s final death.

Tracy and AJ shared a great scene 6:04 in during Tracy’s 1993 exit where she warned him (in a gentle/loving way) to stay sober and keep his life together, and that he was the future of the family. 
 

 

Edited January 17Jan 17 by BetterForgotten

9 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Tracy and AJ shared a great scene 6:04 in during Tracy’s 1993 exit where she warned him (in a gentle/loving way) to stay sober and keep his life together, and that he was the future of the family. 

Again, so much potential for AJ that was wasted.

13 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Tracy always knew AJ was troubled, but what she likely meant was Carly did cost him his sobriety when she was trying to conceal Michael’s paternity, and then proceeded to cut off any relationship he could have with his son, but then also proceeded to also have said son in constant danger because she somehow thought the protection of being with a mob boss was safer for him. Not to mention, he was directly responsible for AJ’s final death.

Tracy and AJ shared a great scene 6:04 in during Tracy’s 1993 exit where she warned him (in a gentle/loving way) to stay sober and keep his life together, and that he was the future of the family. 
 

 

Well, I persist in thinking that AJ would have had a world of trouble even if he had not met Carly, but the things you say are fair. And, I would note that this clip is stopped on Lila's face & Lila always was good to Carly. Now, I'm off to YouTube. 

Carly contributed greatly to ruining A.J.'s life, and in the end she covered up his murder. Michael should never have let Sonny back into his life after that, and should have a much more difficult relationship with his mother at least.

And I agree with @titan1978. This story with Willow, Drew and the fallout in the family is literally the only worthwhile thing on the show. Take it away and I can barely watch for the talented actors. Nor would I for long. I'm enjoying the show when it's focused on this story, it's most of the rest I suffer through or tolerate.

25 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

The manipulation could have come from Nina's side, though, as from her POV, it would have been her encouraging Willow to take a stand against Carly/Sonny, etc. 

That would just vilify Nina further. I had enough of that 2-3 years ago. At least for once she's now being portrayed as a voice of reason. Drew and Willow create drama.

Edited January 17Jan 17 by Vee

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Carly contributed greatly to ruining A.J.'s life, and in the end she covered up his murder. Michael should never have let Sonny back into his life after that, and should have a much more difficult relationship with his mother at least.

This I agree with. Michael Quartermaine was so much more the man that Michael Corinthos wishes he could have been. God, even writing Michael Quartermaine felt amazing.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

That would just vilify Nina further. I had enough of that 2-3 years ago. At least for once she's now being portrayed as a voice of reason. Drew and Willow create drama.

Meh.. I'd just love to see Cynthia Watros put her fangs on [finally] and I'm just... not feeling Cameron Mathison as Drew. But that's what makes soaps amazing: what [some] enjoy, others don't. 🙃 I guess I also don't see what makes Willow a woman someone would... want. Chase, Drew, Michael... they all wanted Willow, and I don't understand why.

10 hours ago, Vee said:

Jane and Laura did very good work together today as well. I would force Carly and Tracy into business together somehow for that reason. We could watch them clash 2-3 times a week.

I'd put up with the one-dimensional writing and bland production aesthetic (not to mention, the Teen Scene From Hell) just to watch Jane Elliot and Laura Wright spar on the regular.

God, I love JE.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again: give her your worst and she'll still knock it out of the damn park.

2 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Jane, Here's a pic for those of us "who don't care".

Awwww

2 hours ago, Liberty City said:

And it is high-time Ms. Wu (who I am SO happy is back)

Good to hear.

 

1 hour ago, Jdee43 said:

If they are not going to kill him off, they should at least do a "who shot Drew" story. It's all right there, but with these writers..

True on that. Just when it seems like they are writing a character into a corner, they swipe left. 

46 minutes ago, John said:

Loving Jane Elliott this week

So are we getting Emma/Gio

Same.

 

It's looking that way.