I’m a biased Guza era GH fan so I’m thrilled he’s on staff. He and Michele understand the importance of layered characters, big story climaxes and strong daily dialogue which are things the current soaps routinely miss.

Absolutely love that all of the script writers are black, that is how you pay things forward.

7 minutes ago, Planet Soap said:

Guza helped destroy GH, and eroded characters like Luke.

I watched the show too. I didn't have to go back and watch Labine to learn after the fact, I was there in the first place. Guza has plenty of sins but no one helped erode Luke (during and after Guza) more than Tony Geary.

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On 11/12/2024 at 7:43 PM, Paul Raven said:

Beyond The Gates February 2025 Discussion Thread will go off!!!

I'm sure there's been much discussion on how the show will look-daytime soapy or a more primetime feel? Will one day take several days onscreen to unfold or will there be time jumps, even within an episode?  Will there be fake outside scenes or regular location work?

So much to ponder...

LOL!!! Yep...THE place to be!!! 

 

That's how I feel as well. A lot to digest for sure.

 

 

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Guza's writing staff (partly inherited from Labine, like MVJ) as well as his own work on the day to day often kept the show afloat daily in some absolutely wretched years all the way up to his exit in 2011. At its worst (and there was a lot of worst) you could still have literate, layered scenes to watch anchored by great acting that was at times still given room to breathe in longer scenes. That ended with FV and RC and the larger purge of the dialogue staff. Yes, the show got lighter, more adventurous and broke the back of the mob (for awhile) and did many fun things that helped save the show from the axe in 2012, but the dialogue and character work went to the dogs and has largely stayed there since.

That was Labine, yes. But that all happened over the winter of '95/'96 IIRC. I think she was out in March or April.

Thanks. So I guess Guza just went off on his own plans for Jason deification after they left.

I do agree with what you and others have said about that aspect of GH, although it must have been in the '00s I didn't watch as much. Beyond some strong moments around the time of the rape revisitation and Bobbie lying to Luke that Lucky had died, I don't remember many standout individual scenes from Guza's 98-00 run.

On 11/12/2024 at 8:03 PM, YRfan23 said:

especially to show up B&B.

THIS. Light a fire up Bradley's butt. 

 

 

Just now, Taoboi said:

THIS. Light a fire up Bradley's butt.

Nothing will make that happen... especially losing Edward J. Scott to Y&R.

31 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. So I guess Guza just went off on his own plans for Jason deification after they left.

I remember a lot. But I have more patience for the Sonny/Carly saga (or later Robin, or Brenda and Jax and Jax/Alexis/Ned/Chloe) that unfolded than you do. I still think some of those scenes between Maurice and Sarah are immortal. Even the messy stuff where Guza and Riche were feuding over bus advertisement couples had a lot of standout material day to day. It was Stefan and Laura's early promise from '96 that they really fumbled later, but I think there were a lot of reasons for that.

I said it when Mulcahey was back (as he wrote a lot of it) but it's the earlier stuff in '96 I think GH would be terrified to touch today - the casual, very candid sex between Jason and Carly when they first met, and IIRC the initial lack of understanding by the neophyte, brain-damaged Jason that sleeping with Carly would invalidate his budding romance with Robin where they couldn't be sexually intimate. Maybe I am misremembering it but I think that was the dynamic I recall early on.

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8 hours ago, Liberty City said:

Nothing will make that happen... especially losing Edward J. Scott to Y&R.

lol. Time will tell.

 

BACKGROUND MUSIC.

I really hope to see male characters going at it on this show with some good background music. 😁 

18 hours ago, Taoboi said:

THIS. Light a fire up Bradley's butt. 

 

 

I'm starting to think he doesn't GAF, he is still writing nonsense. He's got gold with the Luna stuff and focuses on bland and boring dumb and dumber Hope and Carter

 

Anywho he'll be scrambling cause I can see BTG doing great numbers when it debuts lol 

20 hours ago, Errol said:

Agree with the pros.

Jill and Guza's GH was too dark and more concentrated on the core four. I wasn't much of a fan. Riche and Guza's GH was the best, not factoring in the 1999/2000 boyband craze with Emily/Juan/Lucky/Liz quad. 

According to Michele Val Jean, it wasn't Guza who wanted to exit Alan Quartermaine, and allegedly it wasn't JFP either. However, the late Jacklyn Zeman was ousted by JFP as Bobbie. That's true.

 https://www.soapoperanetwork.com/2012/08/jacklyn-zemans-bombshell-gh-interview

Technically, the core four at BTG will be the Duprees, led by Anita and Vernon, followed by their daughters Nicole and Dani. So, if anything, they'll be front and center for the most part, but I'm okay with that as each of them will help expand the other characters. Unlike at GH where it was just the same four in the same storylines with the other characters being window dressing.

It was Frons wasn't it? Jackie Zeman also once mentioned that Frons told her "no one wants to see old people kissing" 

What a Jack arse

6 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

I'm starting to think he doesn't GAF, he is still writing nonsense. He's got gold with the Luna stuff and focuses on bland and boring dumb and dumber Hope and Carter

 

Anywho he'll be scrambling cause I can see BTG doing great numbers when it debuts lol 

Absolute gold. Those were a fun few weeks. And now...meh. But I haven't started this new week yet and there were some twitches of something last week. 

 

You remind me that I cannot wait to see how BTG vs GH go in the ratings if it turns out in some places they air at the same time. But I guess in some places it would be against B&B, right?

1 minute ago, Taoboi said:

You remind me that I cannot wait to see how BTG vs GH go in the ratings if it turns out in some places they air at the same time. But I guess in some places it would be against B&B, right?

Beyond the Gates wouldn't ever be against The Bold and the Beautiful. A lot of places hold General Hospital at the 2pm time slot (some do have it at 3pm before local news programming), but yes... it'll be ABC vs. CBS once again. And I'm semi-praying for an obliteration of competition.

6 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Beyond the Gates wouldn't ever be against The Bold and the Beautiful. A lot of places hold General Hospital at the 2pm time slot (some do have it at 3pm before local news programming), but yes... it'll be ABC vs. CBS once again. And I'm semi-praying for an obliteration of competition.

Cool!

 

You're not alone. re: semi-praying.

20 hours ago, Errol said:

Technically, the core four at BTG will be the Duprees, led by Anita and Vernon, followed by their daughters Nicole and Dani. So, if anything, they'll be front and center for the most part, but I'm okay with that as each of them will help expand the other characters. Unlike at GH where it was just the same four in the same storylines with the other characters being window dressing.

I wouldn’t mind that. I just don’t want every single thing to revolve around them. I don’t think that’s ever worked on any soap.