A sobering long, candid thread. @DRW50

 

@Vee That was more candid than I'd expected. It helps explain just why it felt like Natalie could go at any time at various points in the show's last years. 

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

@Vee That was more candid than I'd expected. It helps explain just why it felt like Natalie could go at any time at various points in the show's last years. 

I think she's fudging the timeline in her head slightly (the WGA strike hit onscreen in early '08), but I remember well all the onscreen antics she mentions that I think were part of the Killing Club mess. I also recall them openly auditioning Natalie recasts.

As I said in the OLTL thread, FV's casual disinterest in the entire thing and in her value reminds me a lot of what I have heard about him re: contact negotiations many times. Same with the Zimmer story that came up in another thread. FV presents as an iceman but if something gets under his skin (William deVry, Forbes March IMO) it stays there.

Since I dumped Twitter, I can no longer see threads. Oh well.

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Since I dumped Twitter, I can no longer see threads. Oh well.

Use nitter, per a suggestion from another poster. It's what I do.

Edited July 21, 20232 yr by Vee

8 hours ago, Vee said:

Same with the Zimmer story that came up in another thread. FV presents as an iceman but if something gets under his skin (William deVry, Forbes March IMO) it stays there.

That Zimmer story was 🤯 and what happened with Forbes March?

9 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

That Zimmer story was 🤯 and what happened with Forbes March?

Like many other actors at OLTL and GH, FM claimed Frank promised him the moon when his contract was getting ready to come up then froze him out when it came time. I always got the impression Frank had little time for Forbes' frankly extra ass plus his vocal outbursts about story (I had little patience for him myself but for different reasons). He allegedly couldn't stand WDV at GH for similar reasons, and him also having issues with Zimmer who is not known for being a shrinking violent tracks as well. Though Kim is the only one of the three I like. But super extra actors are not the only ones who've told these contract/re-up stories about Frank at all.

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28 minutes ago, Vee said:

Like many other actors at OLTL and GH, FM claimed Frank promised him the moon when his contract was getting ready to come up then froze him out when it came time. I always got the impression Frank had little time for Forbes' frankly extra ass plus his vocal outbursts about story (I had little patience for him myself but for different reasons). He allegedly couldn't stand WDV at GH for similar reasons, and him also having issues with Zimmer who is not known for being a shrinking violent tracks as well. Though Kim is the only one of the three I like. But super extra actors are not the only ones who've told these contract/re-up stories about Frank at all.

oh, ouch... that sucks for March, but he wasn't all that, any way, haha. William deVry and Kim Zimmer are the only two I like, but it would also possibly explain why Zimmer isn't on General Hospital, despite it being the soap she watches. 🤣 I love that Zimmer has never held back; I miss dames like that. Her, Jeanne Cooper, etc.

Zimmer was at the point in her career where she clearly gave no F*cks lol 

9 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

Zimmer was at the point in her career where she clearly gave no F*cks lol 

That's been the last 30 years tbqh

Thank you for posting that @Vee

People forget FV began his career as Paul Rauch’s assistant, and Paul was well known for playing hardball even when soaps were rolling in cash. And he also pushed out people that questioned story or spoke out.  He and Frank both had issues with Robin Strasser who is outspoken to say the least.  I was kind of surprised we saw Nora on GH, because HBS openly critiqued the network and Frank’s production mode at OLTL.

Look at the Genie Francis debacle of a couple years ago- she’s on the show with a contract and a central role because what is left of the soap fandom turned harshly on FV and ABC for trying to force her to go recurring and essentially firing her. And again, she’s one who has said every time she is not going to be on General Hospital unless under contract. She’s not accepting FV’s crumbs.

People need to realize that these jobs are often dream jobs, and because of that, the networks and production corporations treat everyone like they can be replaced in a second.  Which is a terrible way to work, especially for a creative person. Running everything like a corporation isn’t working for any of us.

Edited July 21, 20232 yr by titan1978

Hillary critiqued the network and the shooting schedule, but not Frank itself. That may be it. I do know ABC really fùcked with her during her contract coma in the mid-2000s, when Nora was within a hair's breadth of death for months. She never mentioned FV when discussing that drama, but it was also while the show was still on.

7 hours ago, Vee said:

Use nitter, per a suggestion from another poster. It's what I do.

Oh wow, thanks. I had heard the name but wasn’t familiar with what was involved.

4 hours ago, Vee said:

Hillary critiqued the network and the shooting schedule, but not Frank itself. That may be it. I do know ABC really fùcked with her during her contract coma in the mid-2000s, when Nora was within a hair's breadth of death for months. She never mentioned FV when discussing that drama, but it was also while the show was still on.

HBS being the rep during negotiations is the piece of the puzzle that explained why she was mistreated by the network..and her character was degraded.

7 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

HBS being the rep during negotiations is the piece of the puzzle that explained why she was mistreated by the network..and her character was degraded.

Come to think of it, you're absolutely right. I had never seen her treated so shabbily onscreen before or since, and the timeframe checks out.