There was even a scene where a doctor friend of Vanessa's comes up to her at Towers and hints at the idea of getting a facelift. Very cringe. 

3 minutes ago, Gray Bunny said:

Beth Raines had plenty to say too, during the brief Vanessa/Matt/Beth triangle... 

 

3 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yup, it is, lol.

I thought it was Beth?  Maybe Dinah was making those cracks, too?  IDK.  It just seemed like cheap shots at the ALWAYS gorgeous Maeve Kinkead's expense.

Sorry, Beth was who I was thinking of.  I just said Dinah, but I think she did too.

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

It's strange because RC doesn't do that to men on Days.  He goes out of his way to say Victor and Doug are super active and spry.  And of course I want to articulate this delicately, but BH is a 96 year old man.  John Aniston clearly has back problems and mobility issues.   BH is looking fabulous for his age, but I don't believe Doug is a racquet ball champion.

SR is much younger and looks and acts it.  They have painted Julie into a old, grumpy, slightly racist lady as well like you said.  But on the flip side Kate, Marlena, and Anna run around town fighting evil and bedding younger men.  I do think it has to do with who they are paired with as well.  Tony, John, and I guess Roman are more viable and younger.

Here's what I want to know: have SSH and SR ever criticized RC's writing, either to the media, or BTS?  Because, if they have, that might have something to do with his treatment of them in his work.

Just now, Khan said:

Here's what I want to know: have SSH and SR ever criticized RC's writing, either to the media, or BTS?  Because, if they have, that might have something to do with his treatment of them in his work.

I don't think so?  I think both actress go with the flow these days.  I think both are always very positive and seem happy to be working.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't think so?  I think both actress go with the flow these days.  I think both are always very positive and seem happy to be working.

Yeah, I think SSH is a teamplayer no matter the material nowadays. She learned from her 1984 blunder... 

47 minutes ago, Khan said:

Here's what I want to know: have SSH and SR ever criticized RC's writing, either to the media, or BTS?  Because, if they have, that might have something to do with his treatment of them in his work.

I'm pretty sure that when the Hayes' were on the Locher Room, she praised Ron's writing

Yeah, I honestly don't think it's a personal attack.  Just more of the way Ron views the characters.  To be fair, though, Julie/Maggie have not been considered viable for a long, long time (except for that weird period when DH was fired and Maggie was the thing).  They have been by and large supporting for years.   Marlena and Kate have always gotten much more favorable, modern writing.   I never really understood the Kate love, but it's obvious why Marlena still gets it.  

Why is Shawn working and completely unaware that his wife is possessed? 

The actor playing TR is excellent. I wanted to punch him today when he was being a dick to Abe. 

It's so nice to have episodes without brainwashing or the devil. 

53 minutes ago, AlexElizabeth said:

Why is Shawn working and completely unaware that his wife is possessed? 

He doesn't know.  Apparently Marlena is keeping Belle sedated until John answers the phone?  Because he has a ton of better things to do?  He and Marlena spend numerous hours without talking?  It's been clear the last few days Marlena hasn't even notified the occupants of the house.  It's one of those plots they should just not mention and pretend things are all happening at the same time, but are going out of their way to explain Marlena is just being really weird.

12 hours ago, carolineg said:

I don't think so?  I think both actress go with the flow these days.  I think both are always very positive and seem happy to be working.

Yea, i think its different now. Its not the 80's or 90's were there were over 10 soaps and they were still very popular. We are down to 4, all of which are bare bones of their former self's. They are just happy to be on screen and living they happy lives. 

12 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

Yeah, I think SSH is a teamplayer no matter the material nowadays. She learned from her 1984 blunder... 

What happened in 1984? Did she criticize the writing like  Matt Ashford and John Aniston did to JER back in the 1990s?

16 minutes ago, gtru1981 said:

Yea, i think its different now. Its not the 80's or 90's were there were over 10 soaps and they were still very popular. We are down to 4, all of which are bare bones of their former self's. They are just happy to be on screen and living they happy lives. 

What happened in 1984? Did she criticize the writing like  Matt Ashford and John Aniston did to JER back in the 1990s?

The Hayes's refused a poor guarantee deal and complained about being pushed out so they left and maybe? overestimated their worth at the time.  The show was just moving in a different direction and they didn't want to be just Hope's parents.

21 hours ago, Vee said:

Seeing as Ron used to love that Talk Soup/The Soup was roasting his GH and IIRC began actively writing the show into scripts and courting its attention, that's on brand.

I will never get over the Soup skit making fun of Luke's flashback episode where Tony Geary played Luke's abusive dad, with Tony Hale howling 'you're old, Luke!' and ranting about their inability to do a second take of any scene no matter what. I wish it was still available.

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Thank you! 🤣

7 hours ago, carolineg said:

The Hayes's refused a poor guarantee deal and complained about being pushed out so they left and maybe? overestimated their worth at the time.  The show was just moving in a different direction and they didn't want to be just Hope's parents.

They did complain about the writing too.  Even had a meeting with Maggie DePriest.  Bill especially didn't like the way Doug was being written in relation to Hope.  The meeting didn't go well and DePriest said she wouldn't write for them again.  They ad-libbed their last lines in the final 1984 episode.  They discuss it in their book.  And, yes, they learned their lessons about speaking about the writing.

The '80's were rough for many of DAYS' old guard.  The Hayeses and Jed Allan left, John Clarke and Suzanne Rogers were virtually reduced to recurring characters, Joe Gallison was okay as long as Gloria Loring was still on the show, even poor Macdonald Carey and Frances Reid had to make do with cutesy storylines about tainted doughnuts and writing poetry under assumed names.  Deidre Hall managed to survive, but it seems like the show de-aged Marlena while evolving her into a more action/adventure-type of heroine.

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32 minutes ago, Khan said:

The '80's were rough for many of DAYS' old guard.  The Hayeses and Jed Allan left, John Clarke and Suzanne Rogers were virtually reduced to recurring characters, Joe Gallison was okay as long as Gloria Loring was still on the show, even poor Macdonald Carey and Frances Reid had to make do with cutesy storylines about tainted doughnuts and writing poetry under assumed names.  Deidre Hall managed to survive, but it seems like the show de-aged Marlena while evolving her into a more action/adventure-type of heroine.

The show definitely de-aged Marlena, but she was a very easy character to transition into the supercouple/action/adventure role because of her pairings with Roman/RoJohn.  She was probably one of the only characters from the 70's that had the ability to evolve that way-hence her popularity.  She also read a lot younger because Marlena had young children.  Mickey/Maggie had adult kids/adopted kids and Mickey/Maggie aren't going to run off the Stockholm to find missing bonds.   The show had an embarrassment of riches as well with Bo/Hope, Marlena/Roman/RoJohn, Steve/Kayla, Kim/Shane etc., so I am sure they weren't worried about Mickey/Maggie, Doug/Julie, Tom/Alice at the time.  I am not sure if that was right for the future of the show long term, but I do think it was the right direction at the time.  It's not like investing in Marlena was a mistake lol.