19 hours ago, John said:

 

They never did on Air but Lauren Koslow said in an interview they are the same character

Ok... never read it

17 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I have to admit I have had that temptation with writing soap bios, especially when AMC had so many characters simply vanish without a trace in the early '00s. I would just end up saying (I think this was for Soapcentral) that the character "quietly left town."

 

LOL!!  I always feel like they're saying that character slithered away in shame!

15 hours ago, robbwolff said:

This interview appears to be from 2015 and she clearly had no idea who Kate Winograd was. I tend to doubt they're the same character. Yes, Days is out there but you'd think that her medical background would have come up at some point in the past 25 years, especially with all the health crises that happen in soaps.

My thoughts exactly! If she was that Kate, that medical background would have came up earlier on, especially in that Curtis Brown murder trial. I will continue to view them as different character because that’s who they are. 

45 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

LOL!!  I always feel like they're saying that character slithered away in shame!

 

Considering the quality of those characters, they probably were.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I'll have to find that. The GL bios just seemed too good to be true - how would someone know so many details about people from 1938 when most of those episodes aren't even around?

 

I have to admit I have had that temptation with writing soap bios, especially when AMC had so many characters simply vanish without a trace in the early '00s. I would just end up saying (I think this was for Soapcentral) that the character "quietly left town."

 

The 1938 book really is worth getting, if you care about the soap's earliest characters and stories. It often turns up on ebay, and on Amazon. Even better, it's usually a steal, at under $5.00.

 

When characters disappear from soaps without any explanation, I think it's fine to write in a bio, "Ellen Stewart was no longer seen or mentioned in Oakdale after 1996, so we can assume she had left town." But to blatantly create non-existent marriages, deaths, divorces, etc., to justify a character's disappearance is NOT the job of the biographer.  I can see it now, on Wikipedia or Soap Central: "Amelia Earhart was never seen by the public again after her plane disappeared, because after she crashed on a deserted island, Earhart met a fabulously rich recluse who fell in love with her and took her to live with him in his secret, underground city of Eterna. They lived out the rest of their days in Eterna and had five children." ROTF!!!

Edited June 3, 20187 yr by vetsoapfan

17 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

When characters disappear from soaps without any explanation, I think it's fine to write in a bio, "Ellen Stewart was no longer seen or mentioned in Oakdale after 1996, so we can assume she had left town." But to blatantly create non-existent marriages, deaths, divorces, etc., to justify a character's disappearance is NOT the job of the biographer.  I can see it now, on Wikipedia or Soap Central: "Amelia Earhart was never seen by the public again after her plane disappeared, because after she crashed on a deserted island, Earhart met a fabulously rich recluse who fell in love with her and took her to live with him in his secret, underground city of Eterna. They lived out the rest of their days in Eterna and had five children." ROTF!!!

 

Don't give Ron Carlivati any ideas...

 

Thanks for the book info.

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

Don't give Ron Carlivati any ideas...

 

SOMEBODY has to!

 

(Oooooh, I appreciate my own shade, LOL!)

7 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

This one has been around for years - I think Doug Davidson joked once about Paul being unfairly blamed. 

 

The Christabel thing is just odd. Did they think Bell Bell wrote YA novels or something?

 

One of the reasons I don't bother as much with Wiki now is the endless control issues. It gets especially ridiculous with shows like Eastenders where those who 'run' the pages insist that someone who appears 2 or 3 times a year (if that) is a regular character. 

 

That reminds me - the Soapcentral bios (are they still around?) for GL characters of earlier years (especially radio days) used to be chock full of information. I always wondered how much was accurate and how much was fancruft.

 

I remember back in the 90's Soap Opera Digest even printed a blurb like " In 1979 sleazy Paul brought VD to Genoa City. 

 

Some people also said Chris stood for Christian along with the Christabel error. I remember one board said Snapper was short for Snappington.....LOL

 

 

3 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

The 1938 book really is worth getting, if you care about the soap's earliest characters and stories. It often turns up on ebay, and on Amazon. Even better, it's usually a steal, at under $5.00.

 

When characters disappear from soaps without any explanation, I think it's fine to write in a bio, "Ellen Stewart was no longer seen or mentioned in Oakdale after 1996, so we can assume she had left town." But to blatantly create non-existent marriages, deaths, divorces, etc., to justify a character's disappearance is NOT the job of the biographer.  I can see it now, on Wikipedia or Soap Central: "Amelia Earhart was never seen by the public again after her plane disappeared, because after she crashed on a deserted island, Earhart met a fabulously rich recluse who fell in love with her and took her to live with him in his secret, underground city of Eterna. They lived out the rest of their days in Eterna and had five children." ROTF!!!

 

I always thought it was weird how Ellen disappeared. She returned a few years later I think for Nancy's party. Some Y&R fans insist Stuart Brooks is dead, even though he just stopped appearing. 

Edited June 3, 20187 yr by SoapDope

9 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

They do. I've had posters around the internet get very mad and aggressive with me for contradicting something they had read on Wikipedia (or Soap Central or other pages which purport to present the "facts"). 

 

TGL: Hope Bauer is Ed Bauer Bauer's sister! (No, she's not. She's his niece.)

 

Y&R: Paul Williams gave Nikki Reed an STD! (Nope, it was the other way around, she infected him. I was there when Paul berated her.)

 

Y&R: Chris Brooks Foster's given name is Cristabel! (WTF? Where did that come from? It's Christen.)

 

Y&R: Eric Braedon is an original cast member. (No, he joined the show seven years after its debut.)

 

Days: Susan Flannery created the role of Laura Horton! (No, she was the second actress in the role.)

 

I shouldn't get started on this or will be listing annoying examples forever. Suffice to say, Wikipedia is not inerrant.

Nikki did give Paul VD. Doug Davidson told me the reason for the confusion is because Erica Hope (the original Nikki) played Nikki when the VD storyline happened, Melody never knew who gave it to whom, and thus, confusion has ensued for forty years!

1 hour ago, SoapDope said:

 

I always thought it was weird how Ellen disappeared. She returned a few years later I think for Nancy's party. Some Y&R fans insist Stuart Brooks is dead, even though he just stopped appearing. 

 

In 1996, TPTB dropped Patricia Bruder from contract, for budgetary reasons I suppose. It was ridiculous for them not to give any respect to the character by giving Ellen Stewart a proper send off.  She just ceased to exist. Ellen had been an Oakdale stalwart for 40 years, and Bruder had been a cast member for decades, so it was shameful. Kudos to the succeeding  PTB who later brought her back for Nancy's birthday party, and explained on-air what had happened to the character.

 

The Stuart-Brooks-is-dead myth is another fan-fueled contention.  Like Tommy Horton, Bobby Martin, Jim Craig, Neil Curtis, Don Craig, etc., Stuart simply disappeared from the canvas without any explanation. As time went on, we saw Liz Foster Brooks and the Brooks sisters all returning to Genoa City without Stuart in tow, so it became perfectly plausible to assume that Stuart had passed away. Since nothing was ever mentioned about it on-air, however, it remains speculation drawn by fans trying to fill in the blanks, rather than an established fact.

 

 

1 hour ago, mikelyons said:

Nikki did give Paul VD. Doug Davidson told me the reason for the confusion is because Erica Hope (the original Nikki) played Nikki when the VD storyline happened, Melody never knew who gave it to whom, and thus, confusion has ensued for forty years!

 

Of course, Paul was a horn-dog back in those days, and if he had caught something first, I would not have been surprised, but as the story played out on the show, Nikki was indeed the one who infected Paul. And he was not happy. .

Edited June 3, 20187 yr by vetsoapfan

Even the 'best' writers have been guilty of having characters disappear w/o explanation. 

In the case of Stuart Brooks, why not say Stu decided to go on a cruise or visit Lorie or something and then a while later Liz talks to Jill about a divorce. It would only have to be a couple of scenes and Julianna could sell it.

That way,anyone interested would get closure...

On 6/2/2018 at 12:18 PM, Dr Neil Curtis said:

One was a doctor and the other was just a common whore. 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

I almost spit my drink. Spoken like Alexis Colby herself.

46 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Even the 'best' writers have been guilty of having characters disappear w/o explanation. 

In the case of Stuart Brooks, why not say Stu decided to go on a cruise or visit Lorie or something and then a while later Liz talks to Jill about a divorce. It would only have to be a couple of scenes and Julianna could sell it.

That way,anyone interested would get closure...

 

Exactly, but Bill Bell was wont to having characters simply disappear without explanation: Tommy Horton, Stuart Brooks, Carl Williams....

In my mind, Stuart and Liz divorced after Liz caught Stuart in bed with another, younger woman.  Unfortunately, this same woman was also in bed with Stuart when he died of a heart attack, right in the middle of having sex.

 

Also, in my mind: Carl Williams is still alive, but Ruth isn't (she died of cancer) and he has yet to regain his memory; and Tommy Horton passed away some time ago, in Hawaii, leaving behind a wife and possibly some children and grandchildren.

 

19 hours ago, SoapDope said:

I remember back in the 90's Soap Opera Digest even printed a blurb like " In 1979 sleazy Paul brought VD to Genoa City.

 

That makes him sound like a porn star.  ("He also delivered pizzas and said he was there to fix the plumbing.")

Edited June 4, 20187 yr by Khan

5 minutes ago, Khan said:

In my mind, Stuart and Liz divorced after Liz caught Stuart in bed with another, younger woman.  Unfortunately, this same woman was also in bed with Stuart when he died of a heart attack, right in the middle of having sex.  

 

With the Alexis/Cecil tryst playing in the background as it happened.