I'm so involved in this show that I just go to Fox Hulu channel. They got a new excerpt & they show something about that Tiana character.

I don't know how to do that spoiler tag thingy.

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Did he? Because I remember him being dismissive during the board meeting and then telling her to shut up when she went to Lucious and demanded Jamal, to which she said...

At the very least, Cookie has some beef with him but I need to rewatch. There's so much happening, it's hard to keep track of all of it.

When she said the IPO wouldn't go forward if she told about the drug money, Vernon said something like 'you sound so stupid, bitch'.

When she said the IPO wouldn't go forward if she told about the drug money, Vernon said something like 'you sound so stupid, bitch'.

That doesn't sound all that respectful to me!!

When she said the IPO wouldn't go forward if she told about the drug money, Vernon said something like 'you sound so stupid, bitch'.

She called him a bitch. He never called her one.

She called him a bitch. He never called her one.

OK, I thought she echoed his "bitch". I must be remembering wrong.

It's on youtube

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Did he? Because I remember him being dismissive during the board meeting and then telling her to shut up when she went to Lucious and demanded Jamal, to which she said...

At the very least, Cookie has some beef with him but I need to rewatch. There's so much happening, it's hard to keep track of all of it.

he told her to shut her mouth because she didn't know what she was talking about. But when he said it, even that wasn't antagonistic. I thought he was afraid of her or something. LOL

When she said the IPO wouldn't go forward if she told about the drug money, Vernon said something like 'you sound so stupid, bitch'.

He didn't call her a B. She called herself a B. But yeah, he did tell her she sounded stupid and to shut up. But his tone wasn't aggressive. I found it interesting.

I don't think Cookie & Vernon are related. Because when he found out about Bunky, he should had said Bunky is our cousin. Let me tell Cookie about Bunky death.

yeah. you are right. probably not.

It's on youtube

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I think

Lucious shooting is a flash back to when he was in the streets (as supposed to the sidewalk he is on now. LOL)

Edited January 16, 201510 yr by ajsp35801

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I've seen some talk about it but not much here: how does everyone feel about the use of gay slurs on this show? I don't mind them so much because I feel like the show is reclaiming them in a way and also because, let's face it, a lot of people talk like that but I'm not a member of that particular minority so I'm curious how it plays "ingroup" for lack of a better description.

It doesn't bother me. It's a reality - people say it, people in that industry say it, in various cultures driven by machismo or perceptions of strength, for a variety of reasons.

It's an ugly word I try not to use and I prefer people around me don't, but I know plenty of other gay folks say it, and that's their business and I can understand it. And when it happens in a fictional context to illustrate a character or a situation or environment such as this one, I also understand it. The word exists, the word is used. Cookie has an (un-PC) character reason to throw it around and say it in her world as herself. Pretending she doesn't or claiming she shouldn't to adhere to some sort of outside IRL ethos beyond the show kind of misses the point to me. This is a fictional soap opera about the hip-hop world.

I roll my eyes at the various 'socially conscious' online journalists struggling to get a hand on Empire's incorrect gender and sexual politics - it's a soap opera set in a very specific (and fictionalized) world full of overcompensating masculinity, aggression and thorny identity issues. What do you expect to see? Is it supposed to be less acceptable because it's not a period piece? Acting like the show has to serve as a sociocultural exemplar and check the right boxes is ludicrous, but (IMO) that's an implicit throughline in a lot of the reviews I've been reading on the second episode. Servicing my ideology is not necessary in my entertainment, but it seems to be these days on way too many shows for way too many people.

Edited January 16, 201510 yr by Vee

Our world has become way to politically correct to the point where it's bordering on insanity. I mean I watch television because I want something different/edgy sometimes. That's part of the essence of a television show. If I wanted the same old quiet safe discourse I'd stick to regular life.

That preview is so engrossing. And ChitHappens I agree with yor re Terrence. Rewatching his scenes you can tell there's a million things going on behind his eyes. Andre reminds me of Lucius a lot in that way.

Edited January 16, 201510 yr by ThePrinceOfSunspear

It didn't bother me. I agree the world is becoming way too politically correct.

Not saying I love the word, or use the word, but I understood the context in which it was used.

Didn't Paul on DAYS just use the word fag today?

Edited January 16, 201510 yr by KMan101

It didn't bother me. I agree the world is becoming way too politically correct.

Not saying I love the word, or use the word, but I understood the context in which it was used.

Didn't Paul on DAYS just use the word fag today?

Yes, I was a little surprised.

It's only 12 episodes, we know they are going to get the 2nd half of first season. I hope they don't come back watered down.

EMPIRE HAS BEEN RENEWED FOR SEASON 2!!!!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/17/gotham-empire-season-2/