Amen, Craptini are pushing their pets on the audience, but that ok. It's foul when Jill plays the game that has been played for years. The woman has been employed in this business for as long as she has because she's as good or as hard (whicever you prefer) as any man.

Precisely...how is she any different from Chuck Pratt, Jr?

This topic comes up every so often and there's always 2 camps. Does anyone think that Jill cares what we think about her? Is she going to change? I doubt it.

I must be evil too because I have fired a pregnant woman. And I think Jill did Anna Lee a favor. Poor Anna was holding up production for hours because she couldn't remember 1 simple line and she could not for the life of her take her cue. I relate what happened to Anna like what we sometimes have to do with an aging parent or grandparent when they shouldn't drive anymore - take the keys away even though that person still wants to drive. I get that Anna still wanted to act, but the fact is that she couldn't act anymore. Look at her last episodes. You could barely understand what she was saying because she was so weak. As for Jackie Zeman, probably what Jill should have said to Jackie is that given how you've hacked up your face, no one wants to see you kissing. Jill could have been meaner. Sometimes tough decisions have to be made. Jill has ALOT of friends. Thus, the term FOJ. She couldn't care less what we think of her and I don't think she's gonna change.

I do understand the firing of an aging worker. There is this older woman at my work who gets the most hours out of all of us yet we do all of her work for her because she is so old she barely remembers how to do things. Management keeps skating around cutting her hours because she keeps threatening to bring in her lawyers. And she won't retire or at least go part time because she gives money to her kids who are too lazy to work because they don't want to work a job they feel is beneath them. Its really annoying to have to pick up the slack for someone who's not capable of working.

So i guess JFP is an 20 year old executive producer o wait no shes an old lady who its clear hates being her own age. Retire already you one trick hack

OK. So I don't think JFP is the second coming of Hitler. I appreciate that she knocked some heads over at Y&R and put some rampant egos in their place. I appreciate that she got rid of some MAB characters that were not working and brought on a few good ones (Tyler comes to mind). However, overall, I think she is the wrong EP for Y&R because she doesn't understand what makes it tick -- and doesn't want to understand it.

Is it ok for me to say I would like her to go and have somebody like Ed Scott or David Shaughnessy return? I feel I am an equal-opportunities complainer, so let me know if you want me to dress down any number of horrendous male EPs.

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OK. So I don't think JFP is the second coming of Hitler. I appreciate that she knocked some heads over at Y&R and put some rampant egos in their place. I appreciate that she got rid of some MAB characters that were not working and brought on a few good ones (Tyler comes to mind). However, overall, I think she is the wrong EP for Y&R because she doesn't understand what makes it tick -- and doesn't want to understand it.

Is it ok for me to say I would like her to go and have somebody like Ed Scott or David Shaughnessy return? I feel I am an equal-opportunities complainer, so let me know if you want me to dress down any number of horrendous male EPs.

I agree with everything you wrote. And yes, I want Scott or Shaughnessy back along with Alden, Smith and Morrina.

I never thought that JFP was hated because she is a woman, that' a joke. People have hated many male executives and writers over the years, it was never a gender issue. She is all wrong for the show, she might know how to fix other people's mistakes rather quickly but once she is fully in charge she produces a kind of show that has nothing to do with the Y&R fabric.

However, overall, I think she is the wrong EP for Y&R because she doesn't understand what makes it tick -- and doesn't want to understand it.

Is it ok for me to say I would like her to go and have somebody like Ed Scott or David Shaughnessy return? I feel I am an equal-opportunities complainer, so let me know if you want me to dress down any number of horrendous male EPs.

I question if even ES could bring the Y&R of old back. It just seems its so different and not just on set, in management, at sony, and cbs, etc.. a lot of different players are in power over the show and an EP can honestly only do what their bosses let them.

I question if even ES could bring the Y&R of old back. It just seems its so different and not just on set, in management, at sony, and cbs, etc.. a lot of different players are in power over the show and an EP can honestly only do what their bosses let them.

Exactly. It feels like too many cooks in the kitchen. Back when William J Bell was in charge, he was so well established as a soap opera legend that CBS did not dare tell him what to do. It was his unique, singular vision which dominated right down the line, from inception until he eventually handed over the reins to Alden and Smith.

MAB took back some of that "Bell family" power after the Barbara Bloom-sponsored LML coup. But she squandered all that goodwill with her hopeless plots and non-existent management. I wish Bill Bell Jr had stepped in earlier, appointed somebody himself to take care of the day-to-day running of the show. Now the Bells have surrendered autonomy to Sony and CBS, and it is hard to know who is running things over there? Steve Kent? Angelica McDaniel? JFP? All three? Nobody?

On the whole, I think Angelica McDaniel is a competent CBS Daytime exec who actually likes and gets Daytime and soaps. I am ready to lay a lot of the blame at Sony's door -- except that they are also managing Days, right? And after many hiccups, Days seems to be running like a well-oiled machine. The writing has been pretty good. They seem to have people in charge who understand what makes Days special, and writers who care about a lot of the characters. I'm surprised they wouldn't want the same for their other soap which is considered the the 'more prestigious' show.

It seems, based on twitter, interviews, etc that Angelica McDaniel is heavily involved at B&B and that show has been doing well, IMO. I am not sure who currently has power at Y&R, but I would guess Sony just because CBS put LML in, the Bells put MAB in, so its Sonys turn. Who knows. As for Days who knows because its in the same place, i think that days is more than less fine when any one of NBC, Corday or Sony is running it, its when they go to war it falls apart.

It seems, based on twitter, interviews, etc that Angelica McDaniel is heavily involved at B&B and that show has been doing well, IMO. I am not sure who currently has power at Y&R, but I would guess Sony just because CBS put LML in, the Bells put MAB in, so its Sonys turn. Who knows. As for Days who knows because its in the same place, i think that days is more than less fine when any one of NBC, Corday or Sony is running it, its when they go to war it falls apart.

Yikes, that makes me nervous. With days, I am always waiting for the Corday-wielding axe to fall.

Yikes, that makes me nervous. With days, I am always waiting for the Corday-wielding axe to fall.

the biggest con to having so many people involved. I do think its funny that a few years ago it as thought of that the abc soaps were in the best standing because abc O&O them, but its Y&R & Days with 3 companies backing it and B&B w/ 2 that live on (w/ GH of course)

Thank you for the laugh re "the most evil woman in daytime"

I am not happy with JFP but I wouldn't exactly call her evil.

I get the whole "she's just doing her job" aspect of it and there are plenty of men who are just as nasty/bitchy/mean/whatever you want to call her as JFP is. Anything that needs to be done to get the job done is OK. HOWEVER, and here is the distinction, if you're going to be a total ass****, you might as well have it lead to producing an AWESOME show, that thrives creatively in writing/acting/producing. That way, you're an ass who produces a damn fine show and nobody can say anything about your producing style. If, on the other hand, you are an ass who SUCKS at the show you are in charge, then you're just an ass.

The show JFP (whether man or woman) is producing SUCKS.

What does that make her now?

I will let you do the math.

I agree. Glory Monty was considered a tyrant during both her stints at GH. But during her first reign of terror, she changed the face of daytime, for better or worse (worse, as it probably turns out). She pushed the envelope and pulled in new viewers by the millions. There was no question of her talent, or her passion for the genre. None of which can be said about JFP. She's a survivor, yes, but that's all that can be said of her. She's a polarizing force on all the shows she heads, which ultimately results in demoralization in the cast and crew, and declining ratings. It's her pattern. The fact that she's still around to ruin a once great soap like Y&R is solely because she's a friend of Steve Kent's at Sony. There are many other talented EPs that could have been hired (even showrunners from prime time), but Sony and Angelica McDaniel of CBS chose a woman with a very spotty track record in daytime, resulting in her dismissal from most of the shows she's headed. It points to very bad judgment on their part, but they're sticking with her for now for that very reason. To fire Jill would mean the AMcD's halo isn't quite so bright, especially since she's meddled in Y&R far more than she has B&B, which has continued to grow across all demos, no thanks to CBS and AMcD. I can't image the mess Y&R will become now with Jill as ghost head writer, even if SA is tapped as the nominal head writer (Think Chris Goutman and Jean P. on ATWT. She was HW in name only. He ran the writers' room with disastrous results.)

Not the only characters in the history of soaps that "shouldn't have died". I hated that MB was killed, but it was a management decision and so what?! Jill realized that it might have been a mistake, but she has recovered from that, and it's high time we did the same.

It was a decision that changed forever GL, and ultimately was part of why the show began to unravel. It lost it core, the moral center, by killing off MB. "Management decision"—no. It was a creative decision by Jill which backfired in a huge way. Same with Frankie Frame, though perhaps to a lesser extent. Jill may indeed realize those were mistakes, and as you put it "recovered from that." Too bad two wonderful soaps weren't so fortunate. If fans remain bitter, they have every right IMO.

I agree with everything you wrote. And yes, I want Scott or Shaughnessy back along with Alden, Smith and Morrina.

I never thought that JFP was hated because she is a woman, that' a joke. People have hated many male executives and writers over the years, it was never a gender issue. She is all wrong for the show, she might know how to fix other people's mistakes rather quickly but once she is fully in charge she produces a kind of show that has nothing to do with the Y&R fabric.

It is made a gender issue when the title of the thread included the term "bitch" until it was changed.

It was a decision that changed forever GL, and ultimately was part of why the show began to unravel. It lost it core, the moral center, by killing off MB. "Management decision"—no. It was a creative decision by Jill which backfired in a huge way. Same with Frankie Frame, though perhaps to a lesser extent. Jill may indeed realize those were mistakes, and as you put it "recovered from that." Too bad two wonderful soaps weren't so fortunate. If fans remain bitter, they have every right IMO.

Aren't creative decisions also categorized as management decisions? If management aren't making the choices in where the show should go and who should be featured, then it must be the actors. And we all know exactly how that goes...

Aren't creative decisions also categorized as management decisions? If management aren't making the choices in where the show should go and who should be featured, then it must be the actors. And we all know exactly how that goes...

Management decisions are ultimately tied to the financial bottom line. Creative decisions aren't necessarily.