Miranda treated Bianca just as badly as Erica treated Mona.

I'm glad to see that we're getting a little ugliness from Miranda. She's a Kane woman and acting like one.

Agreed. I thought Miranda's reaction was VERY true to real life, and I absolutely felt for both Miranda and Bianca. I thought it was brilliantly written and incredibly well acted by Denyze Tontz.

Dear AMC: I would give almost anything to see Miranda and Erica together. Please make it happen. Please, pretty please.

Miranda treated Bianca just as badly as Erica treated Mona.

I'm glad to see that we're getting a little ugliness from Miranda. She's a Kane woman and acting like one.

Agreed. I thought Miranda's reaction was VERY true to real life, and I absolutely felt for both Miranda and Bianca. I thought it was brilliantly written and incredibly well acted by Denyze Tontz.

Dear AMC: I would give almost anything to see Miranda and Erica together. Please make it happen. Please, pretty please.

And look how Amanda turned out? All she did was cry and have casual sex. What a waste. Let's hope Miranda turns out better.

At least Amanda grew up in Denver away from the spotlight in Pine Valley. She came back willingly (really to anyones surprise) to the only town where people remembered her mother as the "Crow Bar Killer."

Amanda is still delf-destructive and impulsive. Are we not to forget that she slept with JR over a misunderstanding with her husband? Or that for a year, she was a pawn to Dr. Evil? Amanda is screwed up, and more ways than I think Miranda will ever be.

Everyone was focused on Janet, but was I the only one that thought of this when the mirror scene happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPCCF6nOmk4

I wonder if her mirror man is going to urge her to kill people

does anybody know where can watch all my children online or download it

Just getting to these now. I thought Monday was very solid. Excellent dialogue for the teens, much more natural than the exposition of last week. Eric Nelsen shined, and the profanity didn't bug me - unlike some of last week I thought it was all very natural here, flowed very well. There was an immediacy and modernism to the dialogue and interaction, especially with the kids, that you do not get on network.

Nice stuff with Zach and Bianca. I just don't know why Cara so quickly turned on David after he shot the man who shot his daughter. Unless it's all a front for whatever she needs to hide about her daughter. I also like how the Cassandra plot is building, though I keep thinking the "Koslovs" or whoever are either Sylvie Kosloff or the Kasnoff brothers from ATWT.

I think the pacing still needs some tinkering - I know both shows are geared for more speed in the narrative, very much a primetime pace, and it worked fine today but I think there's a time to slow the clip a little bit. I did like that they soft-pedaled Pete and Celia. I'm very interested in her mystery, moreso than I am their romance. Pete works and Celia can work but they have to give her a little more fire. It's a classic Agnes gothic romance, and I cannot begrudge the slightly creaky setup.

Heather Roop is fine as Jane so far. I just have yet to understand why she is there.

I liked Angie subtly calling Jesse out on Lucy and Ellie. And Dixie needs a man. The silent glances between David and Angie, and David quietly needling Jesse about their bond was great. Simple, subtle stuff the network soaps have forgotten. I begin to wonder if they might go to David/Angie sooner than I thought when this Cassandra mess hits the fan.

All in all, but for a few kinks here and there I thought the show's rhythm, pace, dialogue and interaction felt like even more of a cut above the daytime soaps on Monday's show. Something a lot more streamlined and mature. Tight. Simple, solid stuff. I did find the Miranda/Bianca stuff a little too simplistic - her behavior was outrageous but I would think Miranda's real issues would stem from the double-header of Bianca being Pine Valley's first lesbian lady, who produced a child from a brutal rape by a madman. Not the fact that her mother was gay. Not in 2013, and not from a town which reveres Bianca.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by Vee

Ugh, this show is SO badly written. The dialogue is so stilted and obvious. I know they only had weeks to throw it together but it feels REALLY thrown together.

I am so tired of teenagers talking to their parents any way they want to and the parent saying NOTHING. Cursing and screaming at your mom to get out and she actually LISTENS to you?? The hell.

This is Bianca... I think it's how she'd react, especially as all of this about how Miranda was feeling seemed new to her. This sounds awful, but I know as a teen I sometimes spoke that way to my mom, and her reaction would be to just sorta leave till things became less heated.

Yeah. I got a crazy vibe when she looked in the mirror (before creepy dude showed up). I'm interested in her, but I just wish she and Pete weren't so boring and the writing so ... not really there. I wish I could put my finger on why they're not working for me right now. It's early so I'm not dismissing them but .... oy.

I think they have had the worst dialogue, unfortunately--and this insta romance, though I liked them better today (Petey delivered his lines a bit more naturally) But I do like all the gothic mirror stuff.

Unbelievably dire episode. Really has me worried about the show. After one week, the cast and the writing are not coming together at all.

Denyse Tontz's one-note, dramatic pity-me acting (all that rolling of the eyes), and Miranda's story about how Bianca is "Pine Valley's most famous lesbian," Bianca is in-your-face about being a lesbian, and Bianca made it all about her when she came out -- whaaa? How does Miranda even know what Bianca's coming out experience was allegedly like?

AJ (played by older-than-his-age Eric Nelsen) talking about how he "liked" hitting Hunter so the show's promoting violence as a way to solve disputes, calling him and Miranda "the good guys" (insufferably smug ... rule of thumb, when you call yourself the good guy and the other people the bad guys, you probably aren't that good but the show wants viewers to see you as good is all), calling Hunter a "p*ssy" (very problematic word the show should not be having the "good guy" use) -- ugh.

Jane with her dramatic speech to the coffee shop -- it seemed like a Saturday Night Live skit, it was so unbelievable. I will say though, I got a nice little kick out of Sally saying "Are you for real?" because it reminded me of when AMC had people saying "Are you for real?" a lot in the dialogue around 2001 or 2002. Frankie Stone's first episode, for one, she said that, and I remember Leo saying that at one point too.

Dixie's dramatic shrieking to Jesse and bug-eyed reaction to David ... Please.

Zach and Bianca talking about Kendall was really confusing because it made it seem like Kendall and Zach divorced in Pine Valley and Kendall left, but then last week I thought Zach told Jesse that Kendall left him outside Pine Valley.

Now Cara is super anti-David ... Why? She didn't seem like that even last week.

Celia and Petey were okay but nothing to get excited over ... Shockingly given my initial bias, Robert Scott Wilson is the only newbie I haven't had any problems with the acting of so far.

The kid who owed money to Zach's casino was also played by a very unconvincing actor. Can't they find anyone better than these people?

The only good parts of the episode were with David and Angie. Glad Angie gives David hope for redemption. I liked Angie pointing out to Jesse we've all done things we regret (as others mentioned, probably about substituting Lucy for her dead baby). I like that we'll probably never know for sure if David was trying to strangle JR or not. And JR's eyes just opened ...

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by jfung79

Ooh! Can you lecture us again like you did about GH after a week?

Ooh! Can you lecture us again like you did about GH after a week?

Are you telling me not to share my opinion again? LOL.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by jfung79

I just find your opinion diametrically opposed. And the tone a little too far-reaching and broad, implying a supposed consensus that has not been earned. But that's me and I'm just being a bitch.

Yes, Miranda has a reason for reacting the way she did.

Yes, she is wrong to accuse Bianca of the things she did.

It can be both, at the same time.

However, some posters are dealing in "should": Miranda should be respectful, Miranda should not have an attitude, should not have said anything, should, should, should.

Where's the drama in that? A well-adjusted teenager that deals with her problems in a mature and responsible way? That's almost the antithesis of what a teenager is!

What I'm trying to say is, in real life, all of those shoulds would be fine. Still, no one should expect them and I don't get why it's a problem.

PRECISELY. IMHO it's really realistic--I think it's good that people get sucked into it and react as to how someone SHOULD react--but what a God damned boring show that would be.

For me, it's not about what Miranda "should" be doing ...I think it just seems really one-dimensional and simplified, at least so far. Miranda has the whole school bullying her as some "freak" and her only friend is AJ? Okaaay.

She could also be irrationally mad at Bianca and blaming Bianca without bringing up stuff from several years before Miranda was even born like she was there and saw it intimately.

Teen/youth rebellion on soaps is time-tested storytelling but is usually written better than this IMO.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by jfung79

And look how Amanda turned out? All she did was cry and have casual sex. What a waste. Let's hope Miranda turns out better.

What's wrong with casual sex?

I just find your opinion diametrically opposed. And the tone a little too far-reaching and broad, implying a supposed consensus that has not been earned. But that's me and I'm just being a bitch.

I've picked on Jfung too much, and she is justified to her opinion. But I admit, calling this episode *dire* has me confused.

Why shouldn't AJ tell Miranda after what happened to her that they're the "good guys" and to pay those others no mind? How is that being smug? And of course it felt good to hit Hunter--=it doesn't meant the show was saying that's the way we should all react.

I guess the reaction as me confused--especially since RC's writing on GH is far more guilty of doing all of this. I get having an opinion, this one just confuses me (if the reaction had been that the episode was "mixed" I could get it, but dire just makes me think of bottom of the bottom...)