Yes.

It's as if someone were to try to say the real twilight zone was the 90s remake and not the Rod Serling 50s show. Or the Real Happy Days were the years after Ron Howard left the show. Or its like saying Godfather III is just as much the real Godfather as I and II. Or that girl who played Cindy Brady on the Brady christmas movie was just as much the real Cindy as Susan Olson.

I get you are a fan of mobbie GH, but the pop culture has spoken and that's why Luke and Laura are still on the cover of People Magazine and TV Guide 30 years later, and no one on earth ever heard of Maurice Benard and Steve Burton. The Mob GH is the real GH to nobody except fans of the mob GH, and that's why so many articles have come out lamenting the wrong turn GH took in recent years.

Im actually not huge on the mobbie GH, at least of the 2000s.

My favorite GH era is like 1993-1999. However, just because that my favorite doesnt mean any other era of GH is a phony or a fake, its still General Hospital. Just like there was a GH before the Q Family, that doesnt make the Q family less than. LL are on the cover of magazines because their wedding is the biggest daytime event ever.

While i disagree that the Mob GH is only the real GH to fans of only the mob era, even if that was true so what? Its their GH and it isnt any less real than your era, or your GH because in reality - it happened. On General Hospital. It is in fact, really GH.

The majority of the examples you provided dont go, as they are different series just based on the same thing. Happy Days does, and the same applied. The non RH seasons are still really the tv show happy days, its just not the best years/fan favorites. Saying that the mob centric GH is not the real GH is exactly like saying the action adventure super couple era is not GH because thats not what it was about before.

Edited April 17, 201312 yr by JackPeyton

Im actually not huge on the mobbie GH, at least of the 2000s.

My favorite GH era is like 1993-1999. However, just because that my favorite doesnt mean any other era of GH is a phony or a fake, its still General Hospital. Just like there was a GH before the Q Family, that doesnt make the Q family less than. LL are on the cover of magazines because their wedding is the biggest daytime event ever.

While i disagree that the Mob GH is only the real GH to fans of only the mob era, even if that was true so what? Its their GH and it isnt any less real than your era, or your GH because in reality - it happened. On General Hospital. It is in fact, really GH.

This is my final shot to try and explain this. Some years ago Diana Ross staged a concert series featuring her and The Supremes, only the people she had with her were not the real Supremes. Yes, technically these two people might have sang under the name Supremes, but everyone on earth knew that even if three people in 1977 loved those two girls that it didn't matter because everyone knew what the real Supremes was supposed to be. No amount of "yes but they were the Supremes to those people in 1977" was going to cut it. That a comparatively miniscule audience loves GH circa 2005 doesn't matter because if that was the real GH it would have been Sonny and Carly on TV Guide and not Luke and Laura. Like it or not Luke and Laura and the era they imply is the real GH. It's like saying "Who's the real James Bond? Why Timothy Dalton of course".

This is my final shot to try and explain this. Some years ago Diana Ross staged a concert series featuring her and The Supremes, only the people she had with her were not the real Supremes. Yes, technically these two people might have sang under the name Supremes, but everyone on earth knew that even if three people in 1977 loved those two girls that it didn't matter because everyone knew what the real Supremes was supposed to be. No amount of "yes but they were the Supremes to those people in 1977" was going to cut it. That a comparatively miniscule audience loves GH circa 2005 doesn't matter because if that was the real GH it would have been Sonny and Carly on TV Guide and not Luke and Laura. Like it or not Luke and Laura and the era they imply is the real GH. It's like saying "Who's the real James Bond? Why Timothy Dalton of course".

Again, i understand what your explaining - you fail to realize tho that again you provide an example of a reboot, a new version of something old. This doesnt apply to soap operas. They dont stop and then reboot years later, well until recently with amc and oltl. Whos the real James Bond? Every actor that played him, thats why. Now, who is your personal favorite? Who is the first bond you seen? Who is the best bond? Thats different. But just because I say PB is my James Bond, but you say TD doesnt mean PB is a fake bond, or that my opinion isnt valid. It means you have a different view, a different perspective, and thats fine.

Sonny and Carly are as real to GH as Luke and Laura, the Q family, as the webbers, the hardys, the hospital, as casey the aliean and sabrina are. Different people started watching at different times, have different favorites, and like different things. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and prefering Sonny and Carly and 2005 GH to what is on now doesnt make one any less of a fan than someone else.

Jack is like 100% right on the issue. Theres really no arguing against it bc he makes valid points. Favorite does not define what is real or not.

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Jack is like 100% right on the issue. Theres really no arguing against it bc he makes valid points. Favorite does not define what is real or not.

Yep and I really don't understand the constant real vs fake GH/true fan arguments.

And umm when was that? Or do you mean with GH not OLTL?

Ha.

Come on VH! That's such crap and you know it. Not one week ago, you were calling FRon out for the hacks THEY ARE when you thought Brenda was going under the bus for doing the Spreadeagle for Michael (she's still going under, you know). The eppy had not even aired and you were comparing them to Guza and you were "out this bitch for good". FRon aren't hacks just because we don't like the "writing" for our favorites. They are hacks because they "write" garbage day in and out - a structureless show that has strayed so far from what a soap should be!

Keep it real, my friend

I was ok with Guza/Phelps and ok with the mob, but I don't miss them; however, in comparison to the current trash, I'd take Guza/Phelps back in a heartbeat! Hell, these mofos have me longing for Reilly!

Oh, don't get it twisted - Ron is a hack for what bullshit he's writing (that is, unless he miraculously decides to change course at the 11th hour) for my girl.

However, that is a separate issue from the fuckery that I'd read on the soap internets for the year prior to my 1-day return: that Cartini was worse than showkiller Guza/cryptkeeper Frons/bootleg Janet Wood because wack-ass General Mobspital was leagues better than what they'd been doing. No matter what low opinion I've got of Ron, I will always call bullshit on that and anyone who has the temerity to fix their fingers to type that crap.

OLTL was going fine until 3 key moments:

*The Writer's Strike...which derailed tons of planned stories.

*Jolie fans pressuring the show to have JB fired as Jared.

*The mass firing of the actors (due to JPL and Farah's alleged jealousy) playing Sky/Rachel/Kish/Stacy...as well as Amanda Setton leaving. The show never recovered.

Frankly, I lay the blame at cryptkeeper Frons' feet for signing off on that sh!t.

I think most GH fans who watched the real GH in the 80s or 90s (didn't start in the Guza mob era), and who never watched OLTL, like Valentini and Carlivati.

90%+ of the criticism I see of that regime on this board is from people who also watched them on OLTL and have OLTL baggage, and/or is from Guza-era fans.

I'd actually watched both (the real GH of the 90s & Cartini's OLTL) and while I've got zero use for the latter's version of GH these days and enjoyed their OLTL a helluva lot better than the bootleg Sopranos GH that was allowed to fester like an infected wound on daytime for far too long. My criticism (or in a particular case, vitriol) has to do with:

1. Ron bringing back one of the most popular heroines (as well as my favorite GH character) to sh!t on her instead of rectifying the fuckery that showkiller Guza saddled her with

2. Allowing showkiller Guza's pets to live on even though they should've been kicked off the pier like the roided goiter was, thus undermining their claim that their aim is to bring the show back to its former glory.

Hardly. That's like saying the real All In The Family is the years Mike and Gloria left and the show starred that kid nobody remembers.

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I get you are a fan of mobbie GH, but the pop culture has spoken and that's why Luke and Laura are still on the cover of People Magazine and TV Guide 30 years later, and no one on earth ever heard of Maurice Benard and Steve Burton. The Mob GH is the real GH to nobody except fans of the mob GH, and that's why so many articles have come out lamenting the wrong turn GH took in recent years.

What you said.

Morning VH

So they are hacks when they write something for VM that you don't like? That's a poor stanish way of looking at things. The writing need not improve and there need be no structure or continuity as long as they stay away from your favorite? Okie dokie...

BTW, if written well, Brenda bedding Michael would be a good story (Sonny would lose it, Carly's head would spin because the rival she always dominates finally got her ass and Michael would be caught in the middle...no one wants to do drama anymore. Sigh!), but as it stands, this was just a way to put a big fat PERIOD to SnB so that the audience can root for the bitch, Falconeri. I'm gonna pass!

And as for pets, the nerve! The absolute nerve! FRon pets are not even GH characters, yet the time, energy and money spent on them is worse than anything Frons, Phelps and Guza could ever do. At least 2 of their pets were born to legacy GH characters. Todd, Starr and John are related to exactly who? The fuss over these 3 while ignoring the trash they put on 5 days a week? Surely, you jest!

Edited April 17, 201312 yr by ChitHappens

Hello, CH:

Yes, Ron is most certainly a hack for choosing not to undo the damage that showkiller Guza had done to Brenda Barrett. The tools were there and the character's fans (myself included) expected him to provide her with the same regard as they'd done with the real AJ Quartermaine. He ignored that and is choosing to go down a road that made me pull my support for him. I've made it crystal clear that the only way that I'd return to watching this show full-time is if my girl were to return - which I did for a day, until I'd read of his plans to make a fool of her as showkiller Guza'd done before him and I've chosen not to sit through that again while condemning the sh!t out of him.

And as for pets, the nerve! The absolute nerve! FRon pets are not even GH characters, yet the time, energy and money spent on them is worse than anything Frons, Phelps and Guza could ever do. At least 2 of their pets were born to legacy GH characters. Todd, Starr and John are related to exactly who? The fuss over these 3 while ignoring the trash they put on 5 days a week? Surely, you jest!

Yes, pets (showkiller Guza's pets, to be exact). While Cartini did this show a huge solid by getting rid of that waste of space roided goiter, they haven't fully committed to getting rid of the rest of the garbage that showkiller Guza left behind. This leads me to believe that their commitment to bettering GH is shaky at best and all that talk about giving it a complete overhaul is paid lip service.

Jack is like 100% right on the issue. Theres really no arguing against it bc he makes valid points. Favorite does not define what is real or not.

Exactly.

Different people prefer different eras but its still all GH. There's no "real era" or "fake era".

Precisely.

Yep and I really don't understand the constant real vs fake GH/true fan arguments.

For the people who perpetuate that garbage, it validates their opinions in their own minds.

No,

Its saying that Guzas GH was YOUR gh, Thats it. I am sure plenty of people did not like the cheesy action adventure [!@#$%^&*] of the 80s that took over it, ive seen people who perefered that and hated the 90s GH. It doesnt make one a fake version of GH, they are all GH. You just dont like one and prefer some to others, and theres nothing wrong with that, but there is also nothing wrong with fans of GH prefering the Guza years of it either.

Im actually not huge on the mobbie GH, at least of the 2000s.

My favorite GH era is like 1993-1999. However, just because that my favorite doesnt mean any other era of GH is a phony or a fake, its still General Hospital. Just like there was a GH before the Q Family, that doesnt make the Q family less than. LL are on the cover of magazines because their wedding is the biggest daytime event ever.

While i disagree that the Mob GH is only the real GH to fans of only the mob era, even if that was true so what? Its their GH and it isnt any less real than your era, or your GH because in reality - it happened. On General Hospital. It is in fact, really GH.

The majority of the examples you provided dont go, as they are different series just based on the same thing. Happy Days does, and the same applied. The non RH seasons are still really the tv show happy days, its just not the best years/fan favorites. Saying that the mob centric GH is not the real GH is exactly like saying the action adventure super couple era is not GH because thats not what it was about before.

Again, i understand what your explaining - you fail to realize tho that again you provide an example of a reboot, a new version of something old. This doesnt apply to soap operas. They dont stop and then reboot years later, well until recently with amc and oltl. Whos the real James Bond? Every actor that played him, thats why. Now, who is your personal favorite? Who is the first bond you seen? Who is the best bond? Thats different. But just because I say PB is my James Bond, but you say TD doesnt mean PB is a fake bond, or that my opinion isnt valid. It means you have a different view, a different perspective, and thats fine.

Sonny and Carly are as real to GH as Luke and Laura, the Q family, as the webbers, the hardys, the hospital, as casey the aliean and sabrina are. Different people started watching at different times, have different favorites, and like different things. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and prefering Sonny and Carly and 2005 GH to what is on now doesnt make one any less of a fan than someone else.

YES!!!!!!!!!!

As long as the first page of the script says General Hospital, it is indeed "the real GH," and you will deal.

JackPayton is killing it in this thread! Keep it coming, my friend